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[Anonoymous BBS]

You know when I looked at the wiki article... It really needs to note the spoilers. Plus in the 'Characters' section, is there REALLY a need to list all their ages like that? Might as well just make a list for each one then try to paragraph it all.

And the Twin Valkyries names need to be either removed or you note the spoilers.

[Enexodia Forbiddensia]

If you don't think edit wars exist, go look at the Riviera article at Wikipedia. I think we had an edit war there.

[CardBoardBox]

There is such a thing as consensus, which you can find once you single out the people who are "PoV warriors" and, well...

Once you get a solid agreement, you can "protect" the agreed-upon pages (which are just factual repositories, after all) and leave them be. If by some chance a detail has been omitted, you can reopen the page for editing to add that detail, then relock it. I mean, really: it's not like new developments are going to emerge from the game.

On the other hand, consider the PSP version and its changed/new additions. In that case, we would have reopen the pages to editing, and the PoV warriors would probably be back to provide proofreading. That's apparently their larger role in this, after all.... It is folly to seek compromise from people who cannot accept it, and I for one don't want to waste my energy anymore than I have to.

[zesler]

It's not like it's just one group of people. It's every fan of Yggdra Union that uses the Internet, including you. Occasionally a few people will agree on some points, but what will you do when there's an equal split on an issue? How are you going to decide who is "correct" and who is not? And to be honest, the majority is not always correct. That's why I'm not going to involve myself in this, even though I like the idea of plot analysis.

And I don't think I answered this before, but you can use everything on the site freely except for the fanart and fanfiction. And I can't see why you would use fanfics or fanart for something like this, so yeah.

[Leyviur]

Ignoring the question of how you can distinguish "PoV warriors" from "People whyo don't agree with me on what is fact"...

It doesn't matter. Make your wiki and ignore everyone else who will post in the topic.

However, besides straight data, there's not much that you can stick in your wiki without polluting the "facts" with "opinion". The game mechanics aren't that deep.

[Hitoshura]

First of all, I make every effort to at least have a smidget of understanding of another's PoV. I cutoff at whether or not a person appears to be capable of recognizing another person's PoV as useful, something I do by analyzing their behavioral patterns and others' response to them.

As I said before, there are such things as opinion leaders, even on the internet. Studies have shown that opinion leaders, who are such because they are adept at understanding relativistic frameworks apart from their own, tend to be the dominant forces of opinion: people break towards their favored opinion leaders on an issue whenever there are conflicts of ideology. It's not about how many opinions there are, but about how many are appreciably different, because opinion leaders can remind people that they are in the end just seeing different sides of the same reality.

The way to bring people together on this particular issue is to agree on what is fact and what is speculation, and to set them apart.

[Brook]

So basically, if a person is useful, you get them to help, if they aren't useful, you call them dicks?

[CATGUN]

Although that does appear to be the grounds on which people are called "dicks" in general, I try not to be that blunt. After all, they may prove useful again later. The point is to keep them from doing damage that you can, quite literally calculate they will inflict.

I do wonder though if they find us just as predictable.... I remember how Gulcasa calculated Yggdra would chase him and ask myself, "how did he do that...?" It would be scary indeed to think ourselves as manipulable as they, but it could be the case....

[Swiyth]

Lust for revenge is a common human emotion. Gulcasa killed everything Yggdra had grown up with and loved, so she sought revenge. It's not that difficult.

[untouch]

Perhaps they don't consider themselves "PoV warriors"?

[Jomei]

Lust for revenge is a common human emotion. Gulcasa killed everything Yggdra had grown up with and loved, so she sought revenge. It's not that difficult.

Perhaps, but... why did he kill in the first place? Why was he so single minded?

Why does Brongaa from the Gamefaqs YU forum look at the following character fact summary for Emelone as unacceptable?

The proud Queen of Embellia. Emelone is a reserved, analytical person who puts a great deal of emphasis on her ties to others, believing them sacred and involiable. She has a distinctive sense of justice that is all her own. When Nessiah steals the Transmigragem, she lapses into a resigned fatalism that weakens her rule and allows Ishiene to pursue a war against the humans. Her weakness is that she cannot see the danger inherent in Ishiene's confrontational nature, a fault that ultimately leads to her demise by the Royal Army.

His revision:

The proud Queen of Embellia. Emelone is a reserved, analytical person who puts a great deal of emphasis on her ties to others, believing them sacred and inviolable. She has a distinctive sense of justice that is all her own. When Nessiah steals the Transmigragem, she follows what her people desire in a war against the humans for their blood.

And when I reversed it, he reversed it again. And again. And again. It becomes a daily thing.


You can tell he's obsessing over it.

http://scratchpad.wikia.com/index.php?titl...81&oldid=278205

(I do not even remember hearing about when Nessiah's "current manifestation" emerged... where is he getting this from? Does he have some official guide I don't know about? (does one exist?) Is it in the unlockable game details?)


Just trying to give it "aesthetic feel" labels me a retard.

http://scratchpad.wikia.com/index.php?titl...05&oldid=278108

[Cosmo]

Differences in plot analysis. Plus, Ishiene was only doing what Emelone told her to do, so Ishiene wasn't really pursuing a war against the humans.

" I will carry out the queen's orders flawlessly!"

[MoloMowChow]

You can tell he's obsessing over it.

This shows right here why you would not be a good "defender" of the NPOV. He's changing it, so he's obsessive, but people who revert it back are not?

The problem is that you have no standards for your speculation, not that your opponent is a "PoV warrior". You're not even TRYING to reach a consensus on this issue, the first step of which would be to ignore the revert itself and address the issue in a discussion page. As head of the wiki, you should have citations for everything, before you can expect everyone else to do the same.

As for the revert itself, he made it clear as to what his problem was with the text as it stood. He did not think that the game supported the claim that Ishiene was to blame for the assault on humans.

[Yourself]

By the way, your plot analysis sucks. There's 48 battlefields barring optionals and only doing one path, and it was Luciana who attacked Yggdra in BF34.

[Rikane]

Emelone: That child, Ishiene... Her only wish, as she told me... "I will save
you... and everyone!"
Milanor: Ishiene... You mean the one we just...?
Emelone: She was a kind girl who thought of nothing but her own people. She is
not the only one. I cannot let such people perish... I would be unjust.

Emelone: ...Ahhh...! Princess Yggdra... We have injured so many humans... All...
for what...?
Yggdra: But, you and the Undines are not at fault!
Emelone: Haha... You are so kind... So quick to forgive... Do not... let your
kindness become a weakness... The weak are the first to perish... We are fated
to die... As their queen... I shall lead the way...


Who was weak? On the one hand, one could argue that it was nessiah who took advantage; but do we have any evidence that he is who she was referring to? In the end, she gave Ishiene's death as her justification for fighting to the death. The connection is clear: Ishiene held sway over her, Ishiene was the real power behind the throne. She was dominated by Ishiene and could not stray from the path Inshiene shaped for the Undines. This is her weakness, her decisive flaw; otherwise, she would have accepted peace and survived.

And observe: Ishiene's flaw is plain. By thinking of nothing save her own people, her social bonds are completely ethnocentric. She is in substance a racist.