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| Raijinili |
 Jun 5 2006, 03:01 PM
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 Lieutenant  Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16  |
It doesn't matter EITHER WAY. You were talking about a bubble of existence, so I corrected you.
Actually, I'm not doing any such thing. I was just telling you that you left my proof untouched. Also, I didn't use the conclusion to support the proof. The proof INCLUDED the statement that the sum of all was in a single bubble of existence. That was NOT the conclusion. Thus, I was actually telling you that, again, no matter how many holes you can find in individual examples, it doesn't matter because you're not touching the example I originally gave.
No, actually. Look at my first post again. I didn't use any examples. Later on, ANALOGIES were used by me and Sturm to try to get you to UNDERSTAND the concepts I presented. They weren't used to support the proof. Later LATER on, I used a purely hypothetical situation as an example. Instead of denying the conclusion (that if you don't affect things, you don't matter), you deny the definition (that you don't affect things). I tell you now, you won't get anywhere with that. ~~~  |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 6 2006, 07:06 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
This is kinda like a question:
As one who believes in God, I see evidence of affects that God has on my life, and on the lives of others I interact with. However, with one who doesn't believe in God, aren't they just coincidences, not really an effect that somone causes? If I am correct in that respect, then since I believe that God affects things, he matters to me. But, to someone who doesn't believe in God, he wouldn't matter since he doesn't exist to be able to affect things. ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Leyviur |
Jun 6 2006, 03:01 PM
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 Just Some Guy Group: Gods Posts: 576 Joined: 24-December 05 From: Ground Zero Member No.: 10 |
This entire argument has no purpose.
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| Swiyth |
Jun 6 2006, 07:16 PM
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 Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
funny you should pop by. do you have any tips?
except "Don't waste your time here." ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
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| Raijinili |
Jun 6 2006, 11:56 PM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
A person that doesn't believe in God doesn't necessarily see things without cause. That person would probably see the events as having no planned reason to be caused, though.
You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Also, if God existed, that person would still be affected, if only through interacting with people and things affected by God. The belief doesn't matter. It's the fact that matters. This post has been edited by Raijinili: Jun 6 2006, 11:58 PM ~~~ |
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| Irysa |
Jun 7 2006, 01:25 AM
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 Towards some blank infinity Group: Knights Posts: 1470 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Behind You Member No.: 65 |
Wrong wording. Everything is impossible to prove.
Prove all black bears are bears and the name is not just some wierd conciedence like Koala bears. Prove you have a wife.
Yes. The Universe doesn't give a damn what YOU or anyone else thinks. It doesn't change for anyone.
Prove your proof is proven.
Prove it. =D
This post has been edited by Chaos Seraph: Jun 7 2006, 01:26 AM ~~~ [13:27:43] [Sabator] peter would be the worst batman ever though. "turn on the bat-signal" "right!" *turns on huge foglight, beams an image of striped pantsu into the sky*
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| Swiyth |
Jun 7 2006, 04:14 AM
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Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
the point is, he THINKS, therefore HE exists. no one HAS to give a damn, as long as he does. think, i mean. it's like this. even if i voice out my thoughts, what i think, no one has to give a freaking damn. but the fact is, that i still think and produced thoughts. i even voiced it out. ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
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| Raijinili |
Jun 7 2006, 06:22 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
By definition, black bears are bears. It is not a possibility that they aren't. The opposite of the statement "black bears are black" is not possible. As for whether or not I have a wife... that was a joke.
But proofs are just statements that this person's interpretation of the universe is better than that person's interpretation of the universe. It has nothing to do with changing the universe.
The burden of proof is on you, as you're making a challenge. Show that there is a reasonable reason to doubt that my proof is not proven.
Assumptions: You don't care about it. You made a comment about it. If you don't care about something, then you would ignore it. B>A>C<B. They're not equal. Prooooooven. ~~~ |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 7 2006, 07:52 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
Is that like saying (back to your spirit example) The spirit is contained within the box. The spirit affects the box by being inside it. The box is affecting me by being in my way. I am affected by the spirit, if only through interacting with the box that is affected by the spirit. If God doesn't exist, however, I still believe in God, which makes me feel like God is affecting me. Just because I affect someone else, it doesn't mean God is affecting them through me, especially if God doesn't even exist. God still matters to me, because I belive that he does. This post has been edited by lightningdude: Jun 7 2006, 07:54 AM ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Dr Strum |
Jun 7 2006, 08:47 AM
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 Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
You are way fucking off heere. I don't know how you got to this point, but you cannot be affected by the spirit simply because the box is affecting you. First, you need to remember, we do not know if there is a spirit in the box. It was only said that there was, but since there's no proof, we can never know. How is the spirit affecting you? It could just be some box in the street. Maybe completely out of your way. Or maybe it's on top of you. Is the spirit affecting you in any of these situations? No. The box is. The box is obstructing your view/path/back comfort in all these situations, the spirit is doing nothing to you.
If God affects you, and you affect someone else, God doesn't necessarily affect them. Check, but in here you PROVED YOUR LAST POINT WRONG. Okay, you are the box. God is the spirit. Someone you're affecting is some guy holding the box. Is the spirit affecting the guy holding the box in anyway? Again, go to your God analogy, God (the spirit) is not affecting someone (the guy holding the box) just because you (the box) is affected by God (the spirit). Do you understand? ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| lightningdude |
Jun 7 2006, 09:01 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
I understand, but I was referring to Rai and what he said about God affecting someone through those that are affected by God.
Just tell me why God doesn't matter. I belive that He affects me because I believe that He exists. Others that don't believe that He exists don't believe that God can affect anything. To matter, you must affect something, right? ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 13 2006, 09:29 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
You're not being affected by God, then. You're being affected by an idea.
If God affects you, you're likely to act differently. If your actions are affected, and the layer between yourself and someone else is your actions, your actions are likely to affect someone else. If your actions are likely to affect someone else, anything that affects your actions can indirectly affect that someone else.
You're screwing around with the definitions again. "Matters" only refers to the difference between the existence and hypothetical non-existence of something. Actual non-existence doesn't have a place here.
Except that the spirit, when it affects the box, doesn't make a change that would affect how the box interacts with the outside. Because that would break the rule of, "You'll never know whether there was a spirit in the box." On the other hand, if something affects you, it would affect how you affect other things.
Others aren't using the same meaning of "affect" that I am. Their affect: God does something to/for them. My affect: The existence of God makes their life different than if He didn't exist. It's the difference between direct effect and indirect effect. My use of the word "meaning" includes both. That should've been obvious by now. You're arguing against an argument I never made. ~~~ |
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