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| lilcases |
 May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
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That is very intersting, but confusing. But it is something to think about.
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 05:27 PM
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 Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
The fact of someone creating a topic with a title that's not the same as the prupose isn't my problem. And I'm not less intelligent because I look things from a different point of view. Also, What I said wasn't far different from the topic prupose. And I posted that here because I though it was the best place. |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 06:09 PM
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 Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Read my first post again. It says that you must affect something else to have purpose, because if you don't, your existence doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter whether or not you existed, how can you have a reason for existence?
So you're saying that all non-concious things don't have purpose?
If you believe that, then try to break my proof instead.
In other words, you admit that you had no idea what I was talking about and were just wasting my time.
So now I'm supposed to think you're a better person because you make generalizations based on what you think your friends believe? ~~~  |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 06:15 PM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Ooo, a rebel. It's not your problem! You can do whatever you want! That's not how the world works, jerk.
No, you're less intelligent because you can't get it through your head that I don't care about your alternate philosophies, because this isn't a philosophy topic.
Pay attention. This isn't a philosophy class. This topic had a specific purpose, which was to challenge people with a puzzle. What YOU said had nothing to do with the puzzle, and therefore, is off-topic. Continue to try and disrupt my topic with philosophy that has nothing to do with the puzzle, and you'll probably get your post deleted and yourself warned. ~~~ |
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 07:54 PM
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Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
Hahaha. Now because I don't do what you've said in this topic I'm a rebel. Also, this topic isn't the world. But well, if you do manage what the other people have to say, go on. For some reason, forums are public.
Stop answering my posts then. Ignore them and I will not have anything to say. EDIT: Also, yes. This made the topic went off track. Sorry for that. So This'll be my last words in this topic. This post has been edited by Shadow: Jun 1 2006, 08:01 PM |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 09:41 PM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
No, you idiot. I called you a rebel (sarcastically) because you tried to excuse your total lack of understanding about the point of this topic with, "That's not my problem."
Good job. I'm glad you figured that out. Unfortunately, you missed the obvious: my line about the world not working that way was clearly referring to your thinking that you can do whatever you want with the excuse "that's not my problem", and had nothing to do with how the topic works. And even if I did mean that the topic is the world, how would it make sense? What, would the topic kill you if you did whatever you wanted? In fact, how did you even draw the conclusion that I associated the topic with the world? You must be pretty dense to think that, or pretty desperate. Your attempt to make me look stupid has only succeeded in making yourself look stupid. Again.
Actually, forums are private. Don't worry, you're not alone in your ignorance. There IS no such thing as freedom of speech in an online forum. Whoever controls the board can restrict any ideas they want, and the courts can't do anything about it. I once had an argument with someone who believed that he could say anything he wanted in a chat room I ran, and complained when he was kicked for speaking Spanish after being told not to by one of the moderators. When I told him that no, he did not have freedom of speech in the chat room, he claimed that his right to speech was guaranteed by the government. When I pointed out to him that the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States made it clear that it was only the GOVERNMENT which could not make laws to restrict speech, he said that, since he was in Spain, he was protected under those laws. I then had to point out that not only was I not in Spain, the owner of the site wasn't in Spain, and the site was not hosted in Spain, so even if the European Union somehow voted in a law to guarantee that no one in Europe could stop him from saying whatever he wanted (which was fairly improbable), those laws do not apply to me, and furthermore, if he had a problem with that, he could try to sue me under this law he claims exists.
Turning this topic into showing how not clever you are is called "continuing the discussion". Bringing up your ideas when nobody asked for them and when they have nothing to do with the purpose of the topic is called "missing the point and deliberately trying to steer the topic another way". I have no problem with showing everyone the gap between how smart you think you are and how smart you actually are; otherwise, I would've stopped responding to you a while back.
Yes, the freedom to leave is one freedom that you have. ~~~ |
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 10:13 PM
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Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
You called me jerk, idiot, stupid and ignorant. Words that weren't necesary. You don't have to use that terminology to make me realize my errors. And no, I can't just shut up if you continue calling me by things like that. Also, I think I have the freedom to defend the things I think are true, but not by insulting you with words like the ones you said.
And I can do whatever because I posted "that's not my problem"? Don't generalize if you don't have to. You don't know me at least a bit to say what you've said.
Now, that made me laugh. I said that I'm trying to defend what I think is true. And that's not trying to be smart. |
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| Irysa |
Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
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 Towards some blank infinity Group: Knights Posts: 1470 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Behind You Member No.: 65 |
I actually don't think you're going to find anyone who can really prove you wrong. Its completely impossible to prove anything through simple internet statements. As it is in real life. We can't prove you wrong, yet you can't prove yourself right.
I actually agree to a large extent with what you said anyway. But still, even if we lack a purpose to exist, we DO exist ( unless this is all just some horrible dream of someone's or some warped videogame ) and may as well keep existing. However we want. And please don't try to totally ruin me here. I really don't care. ~~~ [13:27:43] [Sabator] peter would be the worst batman ever though. "turn on the bat-signal" "right!" *turns on huge foglight, beams an image of striped pantsu into the sky*
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| Raijinili |
Jun 2 2006, 03:55 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
They can at least prove that the proof is not a correct one.
And why are spoken statements any better? Given: All black bears are bears. My wife is a black bear. Therefore, my wife is a bear. See, I just proved something. Over the Internet.
Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. I think. Therefore, I exist. It's impossible?
Pay attention. I gave the proof in the first post. I also stated that I gave the proof in the first post. So not only did you not read my post, you also didn't read the rest of the topic.
I don't care if you agree. That's not the point of this topic. You're posting off-topic. I have stated multiple times that THIS IS NOT A PHILOSOPHY TOPIC. This is a LOGIC PUZZLE.
If you didn't want that to happen, perhaps you could have read the topic. I only attacked the people who tried to derail the topic with stupid statements like "You can't disprove it" and "I have my own philosophy, which is this". You fall into the first category: that of the unlearned and lazy smartass.
You're not fooling anyone. If you didn't care, you wouldn't ask. ~~~ |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 2 2006, 07:32 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
No, that's actually what he told me.
May I ask who came up with the "fact" that if you don't affect anything, you don't have purpose? What doesn't affect anything around it? If you can give me an example, then I will forfeit.
For one, I am just thinking of this stuff off the top of my head when I sit down at the computer, so I didn't really take much time to organize my thoughts. (I know that's not an excuse, but oh well, I said it anyway) Given that, I tried, in vain, to disprove the "Everything" part, failing to realize that it was an all-inclusive generality. Yeah, I know, that sounds kinda dumb, but I don't care. I should have come into the battle better equipped. Yes, I do admit to that. ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 3 2006, 01:11 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Oh, so you're making generalizations based on what your friend SAYS he believes. That's not much better.
I didn't say it as an assumption. I gave a PROOF for it. And I repeated it in my last response to you. Here it is again: "To have a purpose, it must matter. To matter, its existence must affect something." Simple enough. If P then M, and if M then A. Therefore, if P then A. Therefore, if not A then not P. It's basic logic. Definition of Matter: Your existence matters if there is a difference in the rest of a system between whether you exist or not. ~~~ |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 3 2006, 06:52 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
Let me expand on my question. If something exists, it is taking up space, which is less space available for everything else. If it didn't exist, that is more space available for everything else. Therefore, it must matter because there is a difference between if it existed and if it didn't exist.
~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Dr Strum |
Jun 3 2006, 03:20 PM
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 Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
There's no limit on space. The Universe continues to expand.
~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| lightningdude |
Jun 3 2006, 04:49 PM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
How has that been tested? Anyway, just because there is no limit on space, it would still be that much more space if the object wasn't there in the first place.
~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 4 2006, 02:40 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Actually, if you believe in bubbles of existence, they would never intersect with each other, by definition. It's like saying a square can never have five sides. If it did, you wouldn't call it a square. So taking up space wouldn't really matter. But you're just trying to throw out counters to hypothetical examples (which is wrong in itself). This isn't proving the topic wrong, because it still leaves the claim that the sum of all can't affect anything else, and that's the only example that I would need for me to prove it. ~~~ |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 4 2006, 06:31 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
First of all, if the bubbles of existence thing is something for you to believe in, then it really doesn't matter in this case.
You can't use the conclusion to support the proof, and if that isn't what you are doing, then it just sounds like it to me. I am trying to counter hypothetical examples because they were used to support your proof. ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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