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| Swiyth |
 May 31 2006, 04:47 PM
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 Vlayghn el Deistra  Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2  |
sadly, i'm not known for my intelligence. hmm. thanks for the tip, though, Rai. hmm...
i wonder if it has anything to do with this.
but it also says that it isn't the same as nothing having a purpose. hmm.......damn. ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
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| Shadow |
May 31 2006, 05:33 PM
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That's exactly what I think. But the idea of this topic was to prove "the sum of all doesn't have a prupose" is wrong. |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 12:17 AM
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Sturm used the grain of sand in an analogy. You didn't use an analogy. You just said something about "us" being created.
Yes. What's your point?
Yes, the two phrases are two ways of saying the same thing. ~~~  |
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 02:25 AM
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Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
Because I didn't know what you were exactly refering as "all". Then I decided to use "us" as the example.
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 03:14 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
You still fail, because, as I said, it's not an example of anything, because you didn't make an analogy, because you were talking about "us" being "created". Which, again would require something outside of the "sum of all", and, by definition, there is nothing outside of the "sum of all". So stop pretending you were making an analogy. ~~~ |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 1 2006, 08:16 AM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
The Definition of Purpose: What something is used for. Everything has a purpose because everything can be used for something. It doesn't matter if it can be used now or later. If it is eliminated now, while it isn't affecting anything, it may have been used to affect something later on. That, in turn, is an affect on what it might have affected later on because it won't be affected in that way. I don't care if you think I am trying to sound smart, think about it before you jump to that conclusion. In terms of the existence of all not having a purpose, the reason why you have different arguments is because of this: I, believing in God, believe that all of creation was made to glorify God. It may seem lame to you, but I don't think so. People who don't believe in God don't think that the sum of all creation has a purpose because there is no God to be glorified. Therefore, we are all just here.
To look at the sum of all, you must look at the sum of the parts because if you didn't have the parts, you wouldn't have a sum, there would be nothing. This post has been edited by lightningdude: Jun 1 2006, 08:18 AM ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 09:05 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Oh, now you're making up definitions. "Purpose", in the philosophical sense, is the reason for one's existence, which includes any possible usages.
I challenge this statement. Potential is not the same as actual effect. "It can affect something" is a hypothetical. "It has, does, or will affect something" is significantly different.
Challenge: How can something be eliminated without being affected by something else? Also: Again, you're talking about potential. Potential has nothing to do with purpose (in the philosophical sense).
You're basically saying that it will affect something else. How can the sum of all affect something else if there isn't anything else left to affect? Either you don't understand what I said, or you're intentionally misinterpreting to try to trick me into thinking that you're actually proving me wrong. If the second case, it won't work.
You ARE trying to look smart, whether or not you are self-aware enough to realize it.
Except that the phrase "sum of all" includes your God. I said this before. What is so hard to get about "the sum of all"? This has nothing to do with whether God's creation has a purpose.
So you're concerned with judging whether or not I believe in God, rather than with solving the problem? This is not a piece of philosophy hidden behind a logic puzzle. This is a logic puzzle with a mask of philosophical thought. Look at it first as a logical puzzle, and stop trying to judge me.
Your logic is flawed. I can look at a car without looking at the engine. I can use it in an analogy without talking about its spark plug. ~~~ |
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 04:38 PM
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Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
To be honest I never tried to prove you wrong. I just said something I though some day, as you did. It might be not what you wanted people to post here, but the title is "Thought I had..." and that's exactly what I posted. This post has been edited by Shadow: Jun 1 2006, 04:39 PM |
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| Dr Strum |
Jun 1 2006, 04:39 PM
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 Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
Then you posted against the purpose of the topic.
~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 04:42 PM
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Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
nor you. |
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| Dr Strum |
Jun 1 2006, 04:49 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
No, because, while I did not do what he asked, what I posted related to the topic.
You just posted about some thought you had one day. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| Shadow |
Jun 1 2006, 05:05 PM
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Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
Still, what you posted is against the prupose of the topic.
What I did is like saying, as an stupid example: "A dog I had the last year" <- Topic name I had a really nice dog. But he died. why? And some other posts: My dog also died. The prupose of that post was to answer the first poster why his dog died. And the other poster said something related to the topic too. If you wanted the other poster to go make a topic: "my dog died" and every other people doing the same when their dogs die, it would be stupid. At least in my point of view. |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 05:09 PM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
He clarified my first post, so it would be easier for people to do what i asked them to.
This isn't a philosophy topic. This is a logic puzzle, thinly veiled as philosophy. If you want to talk about your OWN philosophy, I already said, go make your own topic. ~~~ |
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| Dr Strum |
Jun 1 2006, 05:10 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
The title and the purpose of the topic are not always related.
My post was related in that I was clearing up the opening for the less intelligent users. Like you! ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| lightningdude |
Jun 1 2006, 05:16 PM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
I didn't make that one up, I went and looked it up in a dictionary, just to make sure. In the philosophical sense, if it is the reason for one's existence, how can you judge what something's purpose is by how it affects others? Don't we have purpose because we believe that we have purpose? When you say that the sum of all includes everything, excludes nothing, and that there is nothing outside that sum, then it is impossible to prove you wrong. I'm not saying that I concede, I am just saying that you have come up with something that is logically impossible to disprove, due to its general and vague nature.
I am not trying to judge you, I have acquaintances that believe this way. I wasn't talking about you. This post has been edited by lightningdude: Jun 1 2006, 05:18 PM ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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