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[Irysa]

By your definition sure.

Bruce Dickinson ( Lead Singer, Iron Maiden ) calls genres like Black Metal, Death Metal, Doom, etc " False Metal "

Everyone's got their own opinion, sorry if I don't agree with it.

This post has been edited by Chaos Seraph: Jul 16 2006, 11:25 PM

[Dr Strum]

Genre's are not subjective, they are based on musical style and structure.

How many times do I have to tell you this?



And I suppose that guy says the Black Sabbath is not true metal then, since they CREATED Doom Metal?

[Irysa]

I personally find Static's musical style and structure to be far more Nu/Industrial though.

You don't.

Oh snap, opinions do define off the music.


Black Sabbath didn't really create it. They started it with their first few albums, and many of their songs were prototypical of it, but the first real genre defining Doom Metal band ( to me at least ) were Candlemass. Their debut album was called " Epicus Doomicus Metallicus " for god's sake.


But hey, thats me, sorry if it doesn't conform to yours.

[Dr Strum]

[Irysa]

Everything's subjective Sturm. You cannot prove to me that, lets say, the Sky is blue just because we both see it that way. For all we know our own sense of colour is incorrect, because of the way the eye works. Or, just a different way of viewing it. Bee's see Ultra Violet Light, therefore their sense of colour to us, is distorted. But, if a bee had a big enough brain to compare them both, it would say ours is disorted.

You said Static X aren't Metal. I do wonder why Nu METAL and Industrial METAL somehow fit them then?

Pentagram are Proto Doom as well. I'm well aware of the bands in between, and perhaps I'm not the best person to comment here, as I've not heard that many of them, but from what I have heard, they sound far more Proto than actual.

[Raijinili]

Genres are like other words. The people that use it shape its meaning.

[Irysa]

Most true thing I've read in this thread.

[Dr Strum]

[Irysa]

1. Yes. Actually. 1 can mean more than 1 thing.

2. Actually, you can't. Its impossible to prove things through simple statements.

3. Um, no? It depends on the type of light, as I said.

4. To you.

5. Industrial Metal started in the late 1980s when early electronic (industrial) bands such as Ministry and KMFDM added guitars and elements of metal to their music when previously they had no guitars. Now there are many industrial metal bands, generally using electric guitars, synthesizers, drum machines or drums, sequencers, keyboards and samplers.
Many nu metal bands and other metal bands draw a influences from industrial metal too. A band is often called "industrial metal" if they use a lot of keyboards, synths, samples and electric guitars. Generally the guitar work is fairly basic, very heavy and distorted and not always the main focus of the music (the electronic elements dominate).

Thats my definition of Industrial.

Nu-metal originated in the mid 90s, and it is typically a fusion of grunge/alt metal, electronic music/hip hop and other metal genres, normally thrash metal. Many metal fans don't consider this to be a true metal genre, and the term nu-metal is often used in a negative manner.
The actual sound of the genre is quite hard to properly classify, as it can be quite different from band to band. Generally, the guitar work focuses more on mood than complexity, so it's mainly power chords. Sometimes the guitars a de-tuned to give a lower pitch. The drums also normally follow a simple beat. The vocals can vary, with either harsher, more aggressive vocals akin to metalcore, pop like vocals or occasionally rapped vocals.

And thats mine of Nu Metal.


Static fit that quite well if you ask me.

6. So all Thrash Metal is actually Black Metal?

Doom Metal DOES come from Black Sabbath's first three albums: the slow, evil riffs, the heavy groove and the bleak lyrics. But then a lot of metal is derived from Sabbath, so this particular facet of their sound just kind of lay around until St. Vitus and then Candlemass came along and did something with it. Candlemass are really the fathers of Doom Metal, and pretty much every Doom band today has either been inspired by them or compared to them at some point.

7. And Kudos to you. But this is my personal opinion. I love how you all put so much emphasis on "personal preference" and "personal opinion" when someone confronts you but then eat your own words and turn hypocritical when someone happens to disagree with you.

I could care less whether you think LastFM is good or not. No one is forcing me or you to use to anything. But when you've got brainless tools like yourself running around talking shit about things they know nothing about, you can't simply stand by and twidle your thumbs while they ignorantly insult your preference and continue to show devotion to something like lastFM just because its considered "the greatest music finder of all time" by a guy who can't even accept other people's opinions.


I don't use LastFM because I don't like it. I expressed that, if it pissed you off, well then sorry, but its not changing.

I call Static-X Nu/Industrial Metal because thats what I find them to fit well. Don't like it? Live with it.

[Dr Strum]

[Irysa]

1. Can you prove over that 1 + 1 = 2?

No.

2. I read it. I said you cannot prove it.

3. Again, sadly, no. You can't prove that.

4. I'm sure you're an excellent judge of that.

5. Its not wikipedia. Either of them.

This however is.

It is difficult to distinguish many industrial metal artists and industrial rock because both genres leave much room for ingenuity and creativity. By convention, all industrial metal artists may be more vaguely described as industrial rock as well, but not all industrial rock artists are properly described as industrial metal. This is ironic considering industrial metal emerged before industrial rock.

Shut up please.

6. Thrash Metal is typically Proto-Black Metal. If Sabbath are Doom, then Metallica are Black Metal.

7. Go ahead and try.

8. The first lot started Doom/Death.

Black Sabbath inspired the genre.

That simple.

9. Yes. They. Are.

Why the fuck do you get people arguing over genres then?

When the conversation is going like...

Person A: Deathnaugh is Symphonic/Gregorian
Person B: WTF? They are SOO Post-indie/Melodic Power
Person A: BULLSHIT, listen to track 666 off their album "4" and tell me they're not!


Conversation goes on for a week until the band becomes populer, which is when they both say "Pshh, they're mainstream now" and agree that they're nu-metal rip offs.

10. So I can't say I dislike something?

Great.

11. So do I. Surprisingly. Maybe not as much as you, but believe me, I take music seriously.

12. My Preference not to use LastFM.

13. Oh yeah. Right. Teased. MY BAD.

¬¬

14. Thats not the basis. I never said LastFM sucked. I don't like it, thats all.

My basis is that crap that like pops up all over the place, inevitibly. Its why I don't use GameFAQs anymore either.

15. To quote what I quoted earlier.

It is difficult to distinguish many industrial metal artists and industrial rock because both genres leave much room for ingenuity and creativity. By convention, all industrial metal artists may be more vaguely described as industrial rock as well, but not all industrial rock artists are properly described as industrial metal. This is ironic considering industrial metal emerged before industrial rock.


I swear, you're the most stubborn git I've ever met.



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[Dr Strum]

[Dr Strum]

Ugh, that's not what I meant, try posting it again.

[Irysa]

If you're just going to delete my posts, I can't be bothered.

[Dr Strum]

I deleted it becaue it was fucking huge.
Post it the way I've been doing it, that way I can tell what you're responding to.