Knights in the Nightmare, Sting's new game?! Options

[Yuka]

http://gonintendo.com/?p=35576

http://www.sting.co.jp/knights/index.htm

Sting's been having a countdown, and apparently Famitsu tells us what it's for before Sting does.

By the way, I'd rather none of you asked about the Dept. Heaven Episodes thing. All we've speculated on that is that somehow this is related to Riviera, Yggdra Union, and Baroque.

This post has been edited by Yuka: Feb 17 2008, 12:27 AM

[jcdietz03]

World Tree

There is a world tree leaf you can find in Yggdra Union and one of the levels in Riviera is

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Yggdrasil - the name for the world tree in Norse mythology.

Also Yggdra's name is

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Yggdrasil

but without the last syllable.

HOWEVER,
The place you find the Yggdrasil Leaf in YU is nowhere near the center of the world in YU. Instead, Paltina Castle is there. Also, the world tree itself is nowhere to be found in YU, but some might place its location at the spot you find the world tree leaf.

In summary, I fail to see how the settings of the games are related to one another.

This post has been edited by jcdietz03: Mar 19 2008, 01:53 AM

[Feral Phoenix]

Now who's the idiot?

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They both wind up in Heaven's Gate.

And if there was no connection between the games but the fact that they take place in the same world (which I've been telling you morons for how damn long now?), Sting would likely not have bothered pointing it out to us that they are connected.

Also, a great many RPGs use the World Tree as a thematic element, and rarely is it actually in the very center of the world.

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It certainly wasn't in Riviera; the World Tree that appears on the floating islands is in Elendia, which is very much not in the center of the island. And in Yggdra Union (i.e., on the surface world) it's in Marduk, which is also not near the center.

Name for me ten games where the World Tree is actually dead center in the middle of the map and then we'll talk.

You need to pay more attention to these games when you play them. Either that, or you're all permanently braindead and there's no cure for you.

[Skie]

Who are you calling a moron? Watch yourself. We've already aknowledged that the games may be connected by setting, but I don't think it goes beyond that. It sure doesn't mean that Riviera and Yggdra Union are directly connected through any kind of story points or consequences. So what if they end up at a location that was in Riviera? If a location was used in Riviera, god forbid they reuse it in Yggdra Union without having anything to do with the previous game, right?

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I know that since I'm new here, that probably wasn't directed at me, but your statement seems to be blatant sweeping insult. So I'm speaking up.

[Feral Phoenix]

Welcome to the moron parade, then. You'll surely find fellowship with all the other closed-minded idiots who frequent this site, since you seem to have been playing these games without paying attention to their stories at all.

So far, the most obvious junction points in the Dept. Heaven series is that they will all, at some place or time, circle around to Asgard or Heaven's Gate. There are plenty of other technical connections such as items, classes, skills, systems, races, and recurring characters, but there's an overlying theme that you and many others seem to have missed. The Dept. Heaven games make up one large system of mythology--Riviera and Yggdra Union take place in distinctly separate eras, but they're in one world nonetheless--and so far, each game has hinted (Riviera broadly, YU subtly) that there is something very wrong with the way things are being run in Asgard. Ein does something about it in Riviera, sort of; the only major attempt (or attempts, depending on which ending you choose) to change Asgard in YU inevitably goes awry and is made for the wrong reasons (...or is it?). There are other connections--and if I'm right, we can nail all the blame for the corruption in Asgard on one person (I would love to, but this at least may just be my bias)--but we'll have to wait for Knights to come out to see if those connections hold.

You have a brain. You can make logical connections. God, will you people actually do it yourselves for once? So far almost every theory I've had about these games has been proven right by Sting, but you refuse point-blank to believe anything I say and stick your head deeper and deeper into the sand when you're proven wrong because you don't want to admit that you could be wrong.

Start using the heads you were born with. For the love of all that is bloody sacred.

[Irysa]

Hey guys, Dead Rising and Resident Evil are soooo totally related. I mean, they're both set in America, both have zombies, both have a lone person fight off against legions of em, rescue survivors, escape via helicoptor, and hell, there's even a reference to Jill Sandwiches in one of the shops!

Umbrella was behind both! It's so obvious! It has to be true! Now I can write ridiculous fanfiction because I just justified it, and have Frank fight off stuff with Leon(KAWAIII), RIGHT?

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[Yuka]

items,

So every Final Fantasy is connected to each other because of many items the series shares across its games, like potions, elixers, and phoenix downs, amirite? Hell, ANY game with potions and elixers are suddenly connected now by your logic.

classes,

Um, what? There were no classes in Riviera.

skills,

Once again, what? Unless you're somehow implying Jihad is Disaresta in disguise, I don't see any connection between the two in skills.

systems,

JESUS CHRIST RIVIERA WAS ACTUALLY A SRPG /sarcasm

Unless of course you mean the fact that they were both on the GBA and the PSP, which is a STUPID point to use to prove they're related definitively. Besides, there was no Yggdra on Wonderswan.

races,

Tales of Symphonia, Valkyrie Profiles, and Riviera must now all be related because they all have Angels, Humans/Sprites, and demons.

and recurring characters,

Because characters who show up in cards definitely have impact on the overall storyline in YU.

Your points are very easy to debunk by using other games, so next time, try to come up with better reasoning.

The Dept. Heaven games make up one large system of mythology--Riviera and Yggdra Union take place in distinctly separate eras, but they're in one world nonetheless-

So every game built around Scandinavian mythology is related now, right?

and so far, each game has hinted (Riviera broadly, YU subtly) that there is something very wrong with the way things are being run in Asgard.

Because Hector just wants to have more power over everyone else, there is OBVIOUSLY something wrong with Asgard as a whole? Because Nessiah was exiled from Asgard for who knows what reason, there is OBVIOUSLY something wrong with Asgard? Stop blaming the place and start blaming the characters at fault. For all we know Asgard may actually be run quite well, it's just that every now and then there's a moron who wants to try to do something he can't be allowed to.

So far, the most obvious junction points in the Dept. Heaven series is that they will all, at some place or time, circle around to Asgard or Heaven's Gate.

Does this hold water for Kitten?

You're acting far worse than Asaph and I do at the moment, Feral. Quit calling everyone who disagrees with you a moron simply because you feel you are absolutely right and that we all are absolutely wrong.

Also, it's really fun to get you angry. Keep getting angry! >:O

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[Skie]

Wow...I have nothing to say Feral, you've failed. You've failed in a glorious and spectacular fashion.

Keep doing what you're doing. As long as you continue argue your points in that way, then we 'morons' will only continue to be amused at your antics rather than take you seriously. :3

[Raijinili]

You're all embarrassments to the human race. Stop flaming.

[Archeia]

It is possible for games to take place in the same world and have absolutely nothing to do with each other ya know. Just throwing that out there.

A Good example of this is Type Moon's Works. They use the same universe, same laws but Tsukihime has no connection to Fate/Stay Night.

In my honest opinion this is also the same to Riviera and Yggdrasil, although the ragnarok thing is as interesting as it is but it's just well, never mind.

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Feral, my unscathed image of you has been scarred....
I can't believe what I'm seeing ;_;

Now I need..to save money..for PSP and DS..
*cries in the corner*

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[Raijinili]

This thread needs less flaming and more Osakabell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlqLLZQLNiA

Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night have a common character, by the way. In fact, that priest guy and Ciel are from the same church.

[sandpenguin]

Cool down, Feral, cool down.....stop classing other people who are disagree to your opinion about Dept. Heaven games series.....geez, you're fighting about games.....I think you better fight for more useful stuffs....

I won't join....

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Eh I still say they are connected myself. Because.
Thats why.
Anyway I'll have to hope this comes to the US Myself >_>

[San Aurora]

The games would appear to be related. Sting grouped them into Dept. Heaven for a reason. The order is apparently unknown, but it would make the most sense for them to be going from the higher numbered episodes down to the lower ones chronologically. But, it's possible that Yggdra Union and Knights takes place after. After all (please feel free to flame me if I'm wrong, Yuka) the gods stored their power into the island of Riviera (as stated in the prologue I think) and will eventually return. Of course, *spoilers*







at the end of Yggdra Union it is possible to start another Ragnarok through ending C, therefore that would mean there would be a second Ragnarok, and the Archangel returned to grace.




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Basically, I'm babbling like an idiot, and it would be REALLY improbable that YU is a sequel to Riviera. Or the games might not even be in the same universe at all. Thoughts?


Btw, would someone mind pming me how to do that *click to show spoilers* thing?

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[Yuka]

When is it explicitly stated that Riviera is the island that Paltina lies on? From what I recall, the continent Paltina (and most of YU) was on was called Fantasinia <_<

[San Aurora]

It isn't. Just a guess. Anyway, so Yuka, basically you believe that Dept. Heaven is a series of related games that share several story elements/characters but don't actually take place in the same universe. Btw, I'm not saying that in a smart-ass kind of way, it's just as believable that it IS in the same universe, since Sting is infuriatingly subtle when it comes to figuring out their intentions when they make, may I say, a series? One more thing: probably just one of my stupid ideas, but in Riviera when you use the Ancardia with Cierra, the attack is called "Ragna Paltina". The book of Kyrie is also changed to the book of Kylier in the PSP version, so who knows, they may just be homages, but it could be hinting that Paltina is the land that lies below Riviera.