Knights in the Nightmare, Sting's new game?! Options

[sandpenguin]

After some time of reading, pics, brawls, and such on this thread, I find an urge to write my opinion in this *conflict* which in a never-ending loop. I will make this as simple as I can, so let's start it.....

There are many opinion regarding this game and it's correlation to the Riviera, Yggdra and the *fillintheblanks* game, such as....:

a)All of the story in all of the saga happens in a same universe, in a same timeline, in DIFFERENT points in the land, which in our language means, HISTORY. In this theory, each of the story in the 4 games make a significance move in the saga itself.....

Riviera: A perv GrimAngel falls, stirring up the place, become hero with his 'Fallen Soldier' sword (Ein-Herjar), living with the sprites, DEAD.

Yggdra: Thousand of years after the story in Riviera happened.....a cute princess escaped from being tormented by her cohorts, finding a lot of allies, taking back capital, becomes queen, launch a counter-offensive charge, sacked the enemy capital, return, met with 'The False Messenger', kill him with Ein's sword and.....

From this the saga actually divides, depending on which option you choose in the game, "Becoming Arthuria" or "Rebelion Against The Gods"

And that's all the conclusion that I can make about the series...for this theory to work, we need to know what the storyline of game No. 3 is. This theory solves the baffling question about 'Marietta' 'Heaven's Gate' and the fate of the Einherjar.

BUT, why is Marietta EVIIIIL in Riviera (Assume 2000 years ago) while she is the typical Archangel in Yggdra, 2000 years AFTER? Question, eh?

b)All of the story happens inside a parallel universe, same playground, different characters with NO connections met between the four.....many people in this site adopts this, as I can see....

This theory meanwhile, solves the question about Bronchitis? No, Brongaa, Mulminams, Paltina, location of the World Tree and other factors that you might think appropriate. But, it also creates the above, questions about Marietta and Co, which Suzu and Feral fight dearly for.

c)The story happens in a DESCENDING ORDER....it means Game No. 4-3-2-1 in a manner. In the same universe and timeline. (NEW THEORY FOUND WHILE THINKING BLANKLY)

Okay, Knights In The Nightmare starts first.....something happen in No. 3 *and* the story of Yggdra starts. Gran Centurio is NOT Einherjar, it's another different *uber* sword. As usual, beat the crap out AND fight with the gods......and ultimately fail....which the gods will call as 'Ragnarok' with the Gods fighting with the forces of 'Eviiiill' namely 'Paltina's Army' yep, no kidding, no demons or goblins in it.

So, the gods angry with the Paltinans and killed them all... (Nuclear Winter maybe?) To make the land fertile again, they put the sprites into the deserted land.....and promise to return to them again....and that is Ein.

This theory meanwhile solves the question of Marietta, (Lose to Yggdra, gods angry, make her fall, sad, becomes evil, corrupting the people....yaddayaddayadda Tethyh) and also the 'missing civilization' mystery.

d)HUMAN BRAIN. Yep, we all are fighting for a moot point. Each one have their own thoughts and perspective on this game. The developers and we, the fans have their own ways and ideas to fill in the hole in the theory they adopt.....and we just can't fight our own CREATIVITY and EGO about this.

Well, long post eh? I try to make my conclusion about this *conflict* in an all encompassing view about the game. For me personally, I choose the option 'A' but will not raise a middle finger if someone choose B, C or D. For me, it's not important to fight for this......@#@%%@!! It's better to live with it rather than resisting it whole.

But one thing for sure.....I love my theory about 'C' option....somewhat fit.....as it solves down a lot of questions about the saga, but who knows, it depends on the person.....

P/S: Discuss about this.....I'll accept anything but be fair, don't mock me for my statement....I just writing what I think about this....... YOU TWO, STOP FIGHTING LIKE A NO-BRAINER. Phew, it's been long to not writing a post at this length!

[P.P.A.]

It says preorder

Oops, I didn't see that. Silly me. >_>

This post has been edited by P.P.A.: Aug 3 2008, 10:30 AM

[Raijinili]

Why do you have that avatar, sand?

[Yuka]

BUT, why is Marietta EVIIIIL in Riviera (Assume 2000 years ago) while she is the typical Archangel in Yggdra, 2000 years AFTER? Question, eh?

Nice use of spoiler tags.

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The one explanation I've seen for this is that Marietta is not the same Archangel. This can typically be proven by the fact that Marietta's at the Heaven's Gate and the Archangel is at Tetyth. Unless you can find Tetyth on Fantasinia, I highly doubt Marietta moved from one place to the next. Especially since the Archangel was (and forgive me if I'm wrong, I've not played Riviera in atleast two years) banished from Asgard.

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[20:15] Irysa: I made myself some curry
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[Dr Strum]

Thousand of years after the story in Riviera happened

No. Yggdra Union takes place after the Ragnarok and before or coinciding with the events of Riviera. Most likely before. * Cite: Final (bonus) battlefield of PSP version.

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Probably before since the #367 is using a prototype of Malice's false diviner.

kill him with Ein's sword and

The Gran Centurio is not Ein's sword. They don't even look remotely similar, so I don't know how you could make such a mistake.

"Becoming Arthuria"

How exactly did you confuse FSN and YU...?

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BUT, why is Marietta EVIIIIL in Riviera (Assume 2000 years ago) while she is the typical Archangel in Yggdra, 2000 years AFTER? Question, eh?

A) If YU were to take place after Riviera as you claim, then there is no way

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Marietta is the same Archangel as the one of Riviera, since the one of Riviera was killed.

B)I have said this time and time again. An Archangel is a type of angel. Not a singular character constrained to a singular definition within a game/series.

All of the story happens inside a parallel universe, same playground, different characters with NO connections met between the four.....many people in this site adopts this, as I can see....

They adopt a false definition, then, as proven by many scans and developer interviews.

The story happens in a DESCENDING ORDER....it means Game No. 4-3-2-1 in a manner. In the same universe and timeline. (NEW THEORY FOUND WHILE THINKING BLANKLY)

This is not a new theory, it is one I've put forth several times before. Mostly jokingly, since I think the order is actually 2-3/4-1.

Lose to Yggdra

If Marietta is defeated by Yggdra, she doesn't just lose, she's KILLED. Or did you not pay attention to the

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"Lost an Angel", the bitching and moaning about if it was right to kill an angel, etc.

The developers and we, the fans have their own ways and ideas to fill in the hole in the theory they adopt

You can't argue about a plot if the creators have developed a canonical answer, so what you said right here is absolutely retarded.

[sandpenguin]

"Becoming Arthuria"
How exactly did you confuse FSN and YU...?

Oh, I think you manage to know what I'm talking about, lol... What I mean is when the Gran Centurio was to be SEALED in the temple....(Parthenon MAYBE? Crackness...)

P/S: Rather than sealing the evvviiil sword inside a stupid, PRE-DEFINED boulder, why just they can't melt the whole thing down? That should be majestic!

B)I have said this time and time again. An Archangel is a type of angel. Not a singular character constrained to a singular definition within a game/series.

Plausible....Maybe they're the same SPECIES or unit of angels maybe.....good point Sturm.

*I did play the YUPSP, but after hearing the story of the upcoming English edition, I stop playing the Jap version....I want to undestand the real meaning about the whole game and 'possibly' made another conclusion on it....#367....emm, I never thought of angels being replicated like robots....

Well, that's why I think there's something wrong with the story....For the theories, it's just from what I view and process from playing the games in that uncomplete 'compilation'?......That's why, each 'stupid' theory solves one mystery but create another hole in exchange....

Let's see and wait then...
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[Archeia]

What do you mean by species of angels?!

Angels are ranked by order, Seraphim Being the Angel of Love, Cherubin being Angel of Wisdom etc. They're not animals. Go get some Angelology Books and I was wondering the same how could you EVER EVER mixed up YU and F/SN and they can't melt The Gran Centurio due to the power inside it, I guess that's one way of thinking it :V

Did you know Angels can change their appearances?

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Although it might not be applicable in Dept. Heaven universe, just think of it as Marietta's twin or something =_=

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[sandpenguin]

Oh boy.....looks like you all didn't know about the jokes that I made....LOL, sorry....It's not that I really mean!

1. I know Arthuria in FSN.....What I say is WHEN Yggdra wants to seal the sword in that 'peculiar' building, it have a connection like King Arthur.....except King Arthur pulls the sword out, not pulling it in......hopefully you know what I mean.

2. About Angels.....yep, they're TOTALLY not like animals.....what I mean is the ranking establishment of Angels....yeah...the defining of 'species' in my last post really, really sounds rude, right? Sorry in advance.

3. Angels can change their appearance....dunno in other belief, but angels in our belief says they can change themselves into.....handsome guy....yep, that's what I heard. Made from light, etc....

Hopefully that will solve the misunderstanding of what I wrote.....looks like I have to make the jokes more clearly now rather than making it in a more subtle way......

[Archeia]

"Arthur" took the sword for kingship and disposed of it by returning it to the lady of the lake, that's a bit of a farfetched synonym =_=

(remember f/sn is supposed to have Saber as a male not a woman, except they decided in the last minute to change the hero into a guy, so basically, why compare Yggdra to Saber?)

Angels can change form, into anything really so yeah.

[Dr Strum]

synonym

It would have been an allusion, not a synonym. Jesus, not even the same category of literary functions there; synonym and allusion.

[Raijinili]

FSN spoilers:

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Saber is a woman, who pretended to be a man so that the people would have a king rather than a queen. She acted for the good of her kingdom.

[Archeia]

@Sturm, I should've said compare, but anyway sorry bout that English was never my first language and that word is foreign to me, heh. *looks up thesaurus*

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Saber is a woman, who pretended to be a man so that the people would have a king rather than a queen. She acted for the good of her kingdom.

@Raijinli, but according to Nasu, Saber is originally supposed to be a guy and as stated in F/SN character book and they call the guy Saber, Saver. I even showed Irysa the picture. :3 And as proven by the Nasuverse chart etc.

[Raijinili]

But Wikipedia!

[Archeia]

I didn't say you were wrong, you were in fact correct. But I just did a heads up :P

[P.P.A.]

New update.
http://www.sting.co.jp/knights/sp/sign/index.htm

What does it say? Hand-signed... things with preorders of the Kitten box?