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[Yuka]

I have met a lot more stupid girls than smart girls, therefore I doubt your claim.

The internet is not the majority of women.

Unlike you, I'm not homeschooled. I actually leave the internet at times.

[Rhiannon]

You're confusing Asaph with me. Being homeschooled doesn't mean you never go out.

[Yuka]

Asaph's homeschooled too; I thought you knew. :(

[Rhiannon]

Yes, and I've come to the conclusion from your comments in the channel that you're refusing to admit that you're wrong, refusing to even see my point.

Automatic win for me, I guess?

[Yuka]

You've already proven your point that normal homeschooled people do leave their homes frequently. I've already countered it and you bring up malls.

I'm certain far more people go to schools than malls, by the way.

[Rhiannon]

Apparently you don't know much about teenagers, and apparently you've never been to a mall.

Or maybe the stupid Mall of America is skewing everything.

[Yuka]

I know enough about teenagers, and I've been to enough malls to know I hate them.

[Rhiannon]

Sure it wasn't a little strip mall? I'm talking about real malls, here. Giant buildings with tons of shops and even more customers and employees. Schools honestly can't compete with malls.

[Yuka]

Yes, those big malls. And you'd be surprised.

[Rhiannon]

Unless you're talking about colleges/universities (in which case I'll kill you because those do not count in this situation) it must be the Mall of America skewing things. Or maybe it's the fault of the malls where you live instead of where I live. But there's not really any way to tell which it is.

[Irysa]

I'm seriously thinking you're right Rhia. Nobody here goes to a shopping mall for fun.

And besides, I've got about 10 years, give or take, of School on my side.

This post has been edited by Irysa: Feb 9 2008, 03:12 AM

[jcdietz03]

I hardly ever go to the mall anymore. I go to real stores when I need clothes or shoes. For most other things, I use the internet.

Free shipping FTW.
slickdeals.net FTW.

[Raijinili]

Do I have to hound you again to get an answer out of you?

[Ebe]

All black schools are actually largely beneficial IMHO. I visited one once and despite the fact that the neighborhood was incredibly bad (they couldn't use the playground due to fighting gangs) the children were friendly, well mannered and intelligent. I went to an integrated school in the same area that was mostly black and the children literally jumped on their desks, choked each other and threw paper airplanes moments after the teacher left, this is not an exaggeration.

When all students in a school are of the same race, it reduces tensions about ones own differences and instead of seeing them as problematic (when your teachers are always telling you how you need extra help and attention due to your circumstances, while the other kids don't) they can instead take pride in what they are and feel driven to exceed.

Black children often feel like they are an out-group in settings, and that to be in an in-group they must resort to actions provided to them by pop culture, which seems to involve expensive tennis-shoes and diamond necklaces. However, if you can instead create an environment where they are inherently the in-group, then they can instead focus on success and progressive behaviors to further their own image of themselves.

This is why the Hitler Jungen was so successful, they WERE the in-group, the superiors, the betters. Because of this segregated, pride filled environment they excelled in physical training and education. Similar effects can be had on other segregated groups regardless of their race if handled properly.

[jcdietz03]

Just like how black people doing poorly in school doesn't make them inherently dumber than white people.

You can't just ignore data you don't agree with.

Asians doing better in math doesn't mean that they're inherently better in math.

It absolutely means that. If I had to hire a mathematician, I would hire an asian person over someone of another race for sure. I mean, I would do it if it weren't illegal.

Asian immigrant children are less likely to be independent, and more obedient, so they are more likely to do better in school.

OK, I agree with you here, but WHY is that the case. If it is genetics then asians are, in fact, better students than their peers of other races. If it's parenting then it's the fault of black and white parents for not beating their kids enough (that's another thread BTW). There were studies done on twins (I saw a discovery channel program on this). Even though raised apart, many pairs of twins had the same weight, liked the same kinds of clothes, answered interview questions the same way, and had chosen the same profession. It's likely that ability to learn in school has a heavy genetic factor, and that is why you see performance discrepancies between the races in school performance.

Bias against blacks is more significant than bias against women.

Yes, I agree with you on this. A more significant bias doesn't explain a lack of progress on achieving equality with whites. I will ask again, what is wrong with black people? I did not mean to imply that black people are not capable of achieving their dreams. It seems that too many black people focus on external factors than on internal ones. NAACP are a bunch of jerks, trying always to place the blame on everyone else for the problems of black people. If their focus was to help black people and families overcome their problems, I could support it. NPR reported that 70% of black kids are born out of wedlock. Is this the fault of whites? Certain people in the black community are trying to change the black culture for the better (Bill Cosby) while others (Ludacris) are doing their best to slide it further into the gutter.

Given two qualified potential employees, a black man and a white woman, who do you think the average white employer would feel that he related to more?

Yeah, I got it. Still, I am 27. Where I work we have primarily white, but we have 2 asians and 1 black in our department of 20 people. Notably though, our 4 managers are all white and we are getting a fourth white manager soon. I respect the work of our employees. Are #1 problem is obtaining the resumes of qualified people. We only want the most qualified folks to come work for us - we don't care what race they are.

You can choose whether or not you're an atheist.

Like you can choose whether or not you believe that the world is round? Like you can choose whether or not you believe pi is exactly 3?

You mean you can't choose your religion?

Thanks for that nice straw man argument.

You don't know what a straw man argument is.

Heh. Got a little confused there. Well, it was a nice insult. Keep them coming!