Pamela's Chest, Who's getting YUPSP, and list of changes Options

[Rhiannon]

NEVER I'LL POST WHEN THERE'S STUFF TO LOOK AT ASIDE FROM THOSE IMAGES ON JAJA'S BLOG

By the way, there's new music there.

[Yuka]

Music = Images? :|

[Rhiannon]

I don't understand.

OH CHEF SAID SOME STUFF ABOUT MISTEL AND REINCARNATION

[ChefMKT]

BF 18 spoilers

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It seems that Nessiah does not use Reincarnation at all against Mistel. It might be because his other units are already neutral to scythes and there are no units which trump it either.

Also, that refreshing herb item you get on BF 6 that cures status ailments: It's not entirely useless but seeing as you have to take a step in order for it to take effect makes it kinda worthless to cure Palyze.

For BF 23.5 as well, the MVP +2 turn limit has changed. It is not 13 turns anymore, it's less. I don't know how much less as I'm still in the middle of it but I'm guessing it's probably 12 or 11 now.

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[Keith Kurogane]

BF 18 spoilers

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It seems that Nessiah does not use Reincarnation at all against Mistel. It might be because his other units are already neutral to scythes and there are no units which trump it either.

Also, that refreshing herb item you get on BF 6 that cures status ailments: It's not entirely useless but seeing as you have to take a step in order for it to take effect makes it kinda worthless to cure Palyze.

For BF 23.5 as well, the MVP +2 turn limit has changed. It is not 13 turns anymore, it's less. I don't know how much less as I'm still in the middle of it but I'm guessing it's probably 12 or 11 now.

does that mean Mistel will kick Nessiah's ass?
Sigh...(DAMNITMOMIWANTTOTEXCHANGEMYLAPTOPTOAPSP)

[Ebe]

So continuing speculation on Battlefield 49

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Since there are Grim Angels (at least 367 of them, though some may be dead) by the end of Yggdra Union, that would imply that the gods have already gotten desperate and made the Grim Angel manufacturing process, which I thought happened during Ragnarok, as opposed to before it, while the Wisdom ending SEEMS canon in Yggdra Union, games have pulled fast ones on us and made the evil ending canon in the past (Legacy of Kain.) I'm also curious about the Servants of Goth. There seems to be heavy inference that they work for the Magi, and perhaps in this case Hector. Are they largely innocent pawns like the Grim Angels? Or are they more like the CIA of Asgard, totally in on any plots involved and simply willing to perpetuate them? Also, ARE there any plots going on at this time? I was always curious about how the gods died out, were the Magi in any way involved? If they're having the same director as Persona handle this implications like these would not be atypical of his kind of work.

[Feral Phoenix]

RHIA OR CHEF:

PLEASE IDENTIFY WHICH THEME GOES WITH WHO? (<--.rar of what I think are Mistel, Pamela, #367, and the Servant leader's themes; I don't know which is whose though and it's driving me half crazy)

And also, what are the titles of the BF49 BGM and the credits BGM? MewArrow ripped the sound files, and I'm trying to match these up with their proper people so I can get the right labels on the files. The rips aren't perfect, and they cut off in the middle of the second loop (except for Rosary's, which loops four times--don't ask me why)--if you must have them as they are and can't wait for a CD release, they're available at the LJ community gran_centurio.

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And we don't know if #367's ID number is her production number as a Grim Angel--she seems to be a "flawed" Grim Angel at any rate, and I'd guess she's an early result of Hector's artificial (as in, created without the sacrifice of the gods) Grim Angel production process. We can't know for certain--that's JUST a guess. Her wings are gray, though, which makes me skeptical.

As far as I can tell, the Servants of Goth (...I really hate that bad translation) seem to be foot soldiers of some sort, and the few who accompany #367 are either her bodyguards or her "handlers". You'd have to ask Rhia, since I've only seen a couple of clips.

And CANONICALLY, Ragnarok is the war between the gods and the DEMONS. Not the gods and the humans. Remember? In Riviera, the gods "died" (or were sealed) because they sacrificed their power to their Grim Angel army, breaking the taboo that mortal creatures are not supposed to have godly powers. While Hector is known to be only looking out for Hector's interests, in Riviera, Ragnarok was a very real threat that would have ended the world (at least as we know it) had it been allowed to continue.

I have my suspicions regarding whether what happened to Nessiah was justified or not--his attitude is a little... well, self-righteous for a criminal--and I'd LOVE to pin them on Hector, but that's just my bias speaking and there's no proof of that, anyway. It's only speculation at this point.

[tcaudilllg]

Well guys, looks like it's a trilogy!

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You've got YU up to the assault on Asgard, and Riviera is the aftermath.

That leaves room for a whole game-full of battles in between Yggdra's assault and Midgard's destruction. I think the situation is ripe for a sequel linking YU and Riviera.

My money is on the existing ruler of Asgard getting overthrown by Hector amidst the chaos. Or maybe, Yggdra defeats him and he takes over, rallies the gods, and kills Yggdra?

I'm not sure how this is going to play out.

[Rhiannon]

Theme B is Mistel's theme, Theme A is Pamela's, Theme D is the theme for the Servants, and Theme C is #367's.

The credits song is just called Staff Roll, and

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the BF49 theme is called "To God's World" or something like that. I don't feel comfortable with my translation skills right now since I only woke up a little while ago and have bad grammar anyway, so here's the original name: 神界へ

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Argh I wanna hear this music but I forget where that blog link is or where you all get your sound clips from <_<

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As Feral mentioned just because she is "no.367" doesn't mean she's the 367th one... It could mean the 367th attempt. Doesn't mean there are 366 other ones running around.

And also keep in mind. Ragnarok in Riviera is said to be war between the gods and demons... But who won that war? The gods. The winners write the history books. Not the losers. So you could say they called humans demons. Since humans don't exist in Riviera as far as we know.

[Feral Phoenix]

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Hon, Riviera takes place in the floating islands, not on the mortal world. Demons are referred to as "mazoku" and, in one case, actually as "akuma" (by Rose, at the end of chapter 1); the main characters are Sprites, like Pamela and Nietzsche are in YU (Sprites = "seirei", gods = "kamigami", Arcs = "aakuzoku", Asgard = "shinkai", Utgard = "makai", Grim Angels = "kokushitenshi", humans = "ningen"... just for reference's sake). If there's no involvement at all in the human world, why would it ever come up? We know that the worlds are connected because Ancardia serves as our elevator to those floating islands in YU.

But they still don't have anything to do with each other usually.

You can download that compressed file, and the link should be http://communities.livejournal.com/gran_centurio - I still warn you that the files aren't the best quality. And they're not labeled. :/ I'm not so sure that changing the melody line in Roswell's theme from a sax part to electric guitar was a good idea, but the revisions to Gulcasa's--grand pause after the intro, bass drumroll in, four arpeggio riffs where there used to be two, and glissando down on the last guitar note--are damn sexy. :D *drools*

[Yuka]

I hate all of you who are saying that Yggdra Union leads up to Riviera. Just because Hector is mentioned does NOT make YU a Riviera prequel.

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Sweet I CAN download on college computers. I wish these things looped properly though... Can't enjoy them correctly without the PSP it seems.

@Yuka:
Yeah yeah I love you too.

EDIT:
@Feral:
Which are Pamela's, Mistel's, No.367's, and the Servant's?

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[Ebe]

Spoilers involving extra chapters in both games

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I can't imagine that humans ARE the demons from Utgard. I mean, even if #367 only signifies an "attempt" (unlikely, as this is similar to numbering in animes like Guyver, where unsuccessful attempts are simply lumped together as "Lost Numbers" ) the storyline still says that the gods began the Grim Angel production in desperation due to fights with the demons, not out of nowhere because they wanted to be prepared. Also, wouldn't that make Yggdra Hades? Actually, that would be an extremely fun transformation to have explained.

I want to know what weapon type Hades and Lindwyrm would be considered. The flapping of their wings is almost like a scythe...but nothing seems to work very well.

[Desu]

And also, what are the titles of the BF49 BGM and the credits BGM? MewArrow ripped the sound files, and I'm trying to match these up with their proper people so I can get the right labels on the files. The rips aren't perfect, and they cut off in the middle of the second loop (except for Rosary's, which loops four times--don't ask me why)--if you must have them as they are and can't wait for a CD release, they're available at the LJ community gran_centurio.

I know they're not great, since I'm lousy at ripping...(My first time other than getting sprites from VBA)
But this is for you. And everyone else.

For now I'll use the PAC+ names and stuff.
Any corrections...?

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01-The Milanor Thieves Advance
02-Kingdom Army Advance/Normal March
03-Kingdom Army Advance/Guerilla Warfare
04-Kingdom Army Advance/Breakthrough-Rescue Mission
05-Kingdom Army Advance/Blitzkrieg
06-Kingdom Army Advance/Massive Army Clash
07-Kingdom Army Advance/Siege Battle
08-Kingdom Army Advance/Imperial Capital Decisive Battle
09-Imperial Army Advance/Normal March
10-Imperial Army Advance/Offensive
11-Imperial Army Advance/Gulcasa's fierce attack
12-Other hostile forces advance
13-Heaven's Gate
14-Yggdra Sortie!
15-Milanor Sortie!
16-Durant Sortie!
17-Nietzsche Sortie!
18-Cruz Sortie!
19-Rosary Sortie!
20-Roswell Sortie!
21-Elena Sortie!
22-Russell Sortie!
23-Kylier Sortie!
24-Imperial Army Sortie!-Soldier Class
25-Imperial Army Sortie!-General Class
26-Blazing Emperor Gulcasa Sortie!
27-Other hostile forces-Soldier Class
28-Other hostile forces-General Class
29-Nessiah Sortie!
30-Yggdra Union
31-Fall of the Capital
32-WE'LL NEVER FIGHT ALONE
33-Battle Progress
34-To the battlefield
35-Battle result
36-Record of the Yggdra War
37-Melodies for the future
38-Prelude to destruction
39-The people
40-Justice
41-Confrontation
42-Invasion
43-Union formation
44-Win!
45-Lose
46-Military success
47-Triumph
48-Defeat
49-Retreat
50-Battle chronicle
51-Battle on the Requiem
52-Sacred Sword Gran Centurio
53-Fate
54-Luciana(?) and Aegina Sortie!
55-Imperial Army Sortie!-Admiral Class
56-Gordon Sortie!
57-Kingdom Army Advance/Defensive Battle
58-???(Perhaps BF49...?)
59-Pamela Sortie!(Most likely since there are Aggressive and Passive versions too?)
60-Mistel Sortie!
61-???(New theme...The Servants'?)
62-???(Another new theme...#367?)
63-Yggdra-Aggressive
64-Yggdra-Passive
65-Milanor-Aggressive
66-Milanor-Passive
67-Durant-Aggressive
68-Durant-Passive
69-Nietzsche-Aggressive
70-Nietzsche-Passive
71-Roswell-Aggressive
72-Roswell-Passive
73-Rosary-Aggressive
74-Rosary-Passive
75-Russell-Aggressive
76-Russell-Passive
77-Cruz-Aggressive
78-Cruz-Passive
79-Elena-Aggressive
80-Elena-Passive
81-Kylier-Aggressive
82-Kylier-Passive
83-Gordon-Aggressive
84-Gordon-Passive
85-Pamela-Aggressive
86-Pamela-Passive
87-Mistel-Aggressive
88-Mistel-Passive
89-Staff Roll
90-(The Opening.)

And totally out of topic, but for those who missed me (If any),