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[sandpenguin]

You spelled Ordene wrong as "Ordeene". I fix that only.

That's all, nothing more. I'll just look around and see it.

Edited: If I'm not mistaken, you're the one in GameFaqs forum that always fight with......Aha!

"Squirts fire at you"

This post has been edited by sandpenguin: Jan 12 2008, 04:39 PM

[Raijinili]

You seem to have completely ignored what I said.

[tcaudilllg]

You seem to have completely ignored what I said.

They weren't in immediate danger, were they? Couldn't they have worked with the humans to capture Nessiah? If they had had that trust, then they might have survived through mutual cooperation. Are you sure there were not any voices against Inshiene's own? That Ishiene was unopposed seems unlikely. Remember, the mermaids in the cities had different viewpoints on the matter. Some called Nietzsche a traitor, others their last hope. There was more than one side to this.

In the end, Ishiene was no different than Gulcasa: a closed-minded absolutist to who it was her way or no way.

[Raijinili]

Couldn't they have worked with the humans to capture Nessiah?

Did they know who did it, and how to find him?

In the end, Ishiene was no different than Gulcasa: a closed-minded absolutist to who it was her way or no way.

You can't judge her character in that way while ignoring the circumstances entirely. They've been at peace, and Ishiene's a leader. What good evidence is there to say that she was acting on her own volition, rather than what the queen ordered her to?

In the end, you're not actuallly supporting your claims with strong quotes.

[tcaudilllg]

From the script, these are all that I could find.



Silence! Selfish humans...

"Do not interfere, or you will
be next!

W-Why...?

They seem pretty dead set. I
don't think we have a choice.

I am Ishiene, and I carry out
the Queen's orders flawlessly!"


"General Ishiene! It's those
humans again!

Fie on them! Do they intend to
pass through here...?

Under no circumstances will we
let them through!

Queen Emelone is our last hope...

We shall protect her with our
lives!"

Ishiene's death was necessary to secure the bridge to Emelon's palace, and yet, it was also Emelone's rationale for refusing negotiations.


"The Undines have always
despised war.

Queen Emelone always said...

"If death is our destiny, we
must accept it gracefully."

But, some Undines refused to
settle for such a fate.

As their Queen, she couldn't
ignore the people's demands."

The question is, what side was Ishiene on? From her statements, she appears to have been a hawk, as opposed to a dove like Emelone.

Who among the Undines is the will to war? Where is the person who is, for all intents and purposes, Emelon's backbone? We are witness to only two leaders of the Undines, those being Emelone and Ishiene.

It's a really complicated affair. In the end, the Queen probably would have talked peace had Ishiene let them through. The Queen felt she had to die for Ishiene. It was Ishiene who, like Gulcasa, refused to compromise. It's one thing to protect a bridge, another to guard it against a white flag. Of all the available info, the finger points to Ishiene as the primary instigator.

And she IS a general, that much is plain.

One more point: Ishiene asserts that Emelone is the Undine's last hope, even as the people say she has resigned herself to a graceful death. On the one hand you have resignation, and on the other, hope. Two conflicting opinions. There, it is plain: Ishiene's heart is on the side opposite Ishiene's, whatever her official stance.

This post has been edited by tcaudilllg: Jan 13 2008, 02:25 AM

[Yuka]

Nessiah took the Transmigragem, the Undine populace is in uproar. They only know it was someone who appeared to be of a humanoid shape, so they slaughter the nearby humans. Rather than stopping them, Emelone allows them to continue this, despite knowing that it was not the right decision. Like Rhia stated, Emelone is a good queen because she pleases her people. Emelone accepted death over negotiation because no amount of negotiation could repent for all the death her people caused.

[Rhiannon]

Well, actually, I haven't posted anything in this topic about Emelone yet, Sauce. :( I only said that in the channel.

Also, I don't know if I'm imagining it or not, but it seems that everyone has forgotten that the Undines were told of an elixir of life that could be created from human blood. It wasn't like, "Dude, a human took the Transmigragem. Let's make them pay by killing all of them." It was more like "Oh crap, this might be our only hope. Let's try it."

[tcaudilllg]

My point is that Ishiene was their de facto leader, having stronger will than the queen. In the end, it was Ishiene who decided the fate of the conflict.

[tcaudilllg]

How's this?

Yggdra Yuril Altwaltz

The princess of Fantasinia, Yggdra is the main protagonist of Yggdra Union and the central focalpoint of the story. Yggdra barely escapes from Paltina after Gulcasa ruthlessly murders her family, carrying with her the Gran Centurio, an ancient sword of incarnate justice. Yearning to bring her own justice to bear at Gulcasa's throat, but hunted and defenseless, Yggdra flees into the mountains south of Paltina. There she seeks refuge in a theives' hideout. The Valkyrie twins are in hot pursuit, and seek to capture her. Their callous disregard for the theives becomes a blessing for Yggdra, who is saved when the theives drive off the Bronquians in vengence. Their leader, Milanor, extends a helping hand in exchange for her agreement to offer him Castle Paltina once it has been retaken. Thinking only of revenge against Gulcasa, Yggdra takes Milanor up on his offer.

Yggdra and Milanor successfully rondeveu with the besieged Durant, commander of Fantasinia's 3rd Cavalry. Durant offers her the flag of Fantasinia as a symbol of his and the entire Royal Army's allegiance to her. This is the beginning of Yggdra's long road to retake Paltina.

It is a difficult, treacherous road, full of perplexing situations and moments of self-discovery. The problem of the Undines forces Yggdra to learn what it really means to lead, and of the difficult decisions a leader must sometimes make. The problem of Verlaine Hills proves more difficult for Yggdra, something so seemingly treacherous and unforgivable she cannot bear to act by the advice of Milanor. Here, too, is another hard lesson for the would-be queen.

As grave as the burden of leadership is for Yggdra, it fails to distract her from her most sought after goal: bringing justice to Gulcasa. The sight of Gulcasa at Paltina drives her into a rage, bringing out the worst in her character as she relentlessly pursues the wounded warlord, heedless to her duties to Fantasinia. Her reckless pursuit leads her into a trap set by Gulcasa, who has planned to use her as a sacrifice to Brongaa. In the dark times that follow, Yggdra has ample time to reconsider the rashness of her activity.

Through her ordeal and eventual rescue by Milanor, Yggdra learns the importance of responsibility to one's peers and the discipline necessary to lead. These qualities prove invaluable to her quest for the crown, which she must take in anticipation of a gathering threat to Fantasinia.

At Welheim Holy Land, Yggdra is forced to face her deepest demons. The vanquished leader of Black/White Rose domain appears to her as an apparition of her soul. Here Yggdra must face first hand the darker side of her nature, the problem of using force to bring peace and the uncomfortable emotions it engenders. The Gran Centurio acts as a conduit to Yggdra's inner self, allowing her to distinguish negative from positive emotion and to ward off the negative energies impressed against her by the apparition. Yggdra forgives herself for killing the Rose House leader as a necessary evil required to prevent their negative emotions from creating a catastrophe. This determination allows her to repress her own negative emotion and assauge her self doubt, giving her the strength to lead.

Yggdra advances to the altar of coronation and is crowned "La Pucelle" (French for "divine maiden") by Pope Joachim. Her strength is put to the test by Luciana, who has arrives too late to stop her coronation. Yggdra easily defeats Luciana by the power of the Gran Centurio, which has been awakened by Yggdra's newfound fortitude. The dying words of Pope Joachim remind Yggdra that with strength comes obligation, and that she must never forsake her duty as Queen to Fantasinia. Taking these words to heart, Yggdra resolves to march on Bronquia.

Yggdra's newfound resolve is instrumental to her success in the Bronquia campaign. Citizen militia raise problematic moral questions for the new ruler, questions that only the might of the Holy Sword could possibly answer. Yggdra confidently, unflichingly advances to Flarewerk, accepting as her duty the atrocities she is forced to commit in the name of a greater justice and peace. The way is hard: difficult choices must be made, and the loss of friends and of missed opportunities must be coped with.

Yggdra triumphs over Gulcasa and wins his respect as the dominant will on the continent. No sooner do the flames of war die down, though, than the Isle of Arcadia rises from the sea. Yggdra advances to Arcadia only to learn that the Gran Centurio on which she has come to rely is an instrument in Nessiah's grand scheme. Yggdra must face the fact that the very source of her strength is but a tool for Nessiah's use. Or is it? Yggdra observes that the Gran Centurio can be used for either good or for evil, and resolves to use it for peace. Nessiah is defeated by the power of peace, his hatred overcome.

Having defeated the true source of the darkness lurking on the continent, Yggdra stands at the gates of Heaven. Before her stands an angel, a representative for the beings who cast Nessiah into her world, and with him the curses of the ages. Her final test remains: will she raise her sword to war one more time in protest against the Gods' indifference; or will she reach out to these plausibly amoral powers in search of a greater peace and stability? Does justice always lie with the Holy Sword; or, is there a time and place for confrontation, whatever the implication to principle? The entire world waits with baited breath for her answer.

[Raijinili]

Who among the Undines is the will to war? Where is the person who is, for all intents and purposes, Emelon's backbone? We are witness to only two leaders of the Undines, those being Emelone and Ishiene.

This doesn't point to Ishiene being that person at all.

In the end, the Queen probably would have talked peace had Ishiene let them through.

As it is said, she couldn't refuse her people's demands.

It's one thing to protect a bridge, another to guard it against a white flag.

These humans are at war with you, you're a dying race, and you trust them?

Of all the available info, the finger points to Ishiene as the primary instigator.

And she IS a general, that much is plain.

Actually, the available info doesn't point to there being a primary instigator at all. All we have is that there are "some" Undines who won't go lie down and die.

The fact that Ishine is the most likely candidate, were there evidence of a primary instigator, is moot, since there are about three important Undines introduced, total.

[tcaudilllg]

Alright, I'll throw in the cards on the Ishiene thing. Not enough data, I guess.

Anyway, I was thinking that we need a template for the character facts breakdowns, to give it a sort of strategy guide, professional feel. I'm going to make a new section, character bios. (and if Brongaa takes issue with it, I'll rename it character analyses, because that's what I intend for it to be.)

It may be better to make a category for each character, to let people offer their own analyses with a summary for the same. ...On the other hand, there must be something to send the newbies to, mustn't there? Something to make sense of the story for them.

Well, I'm off to learn template design.

[Irysa]

ITT: We take games too seriously. D:

[Feral Phoenix]

Nessiah took the Transmigragem, the Undine populace is in uproar. They only know it was someone who appeared to be of a humanoid shape, so they slaughter the nearby humans. Rather than stopping them, Emelone allows them to continue this, despite knowing that it was not the right decision. Like Rhia stated, Emelone is a good queen because she pleases her people. Emelone accepted death over negotiation because no amount of negotiation could repent for all the death her people caused.

Minor correction: Nessiah or one of his peons weasels the Transmigragem out of Nietzsche's sister; Embellian Undine populace goes crazy. Nessiah returns to Embellia and informs them of an eternal youth elixir requiring human blood. [This seems to have two purposes; it both prevents Embellia from coming to Fantasinia's aid against Bronquia, allowing Bronquia to complete their conquest, and it also causes enough unrest that it might draw the next wielder of the Gran Centurio in to settle it. Nessiah's intentions, and which purpose if either was his main intent, remain ambiguous.]

Emelone seems not to want bloodshed, but condones the actions of Ishiene and the other fearful radicals in order to preserve her species. At the end of BF07, Emelone despairs of her decision, perhaps acknowledging that there was no right choice to make (in that no choice could do no harm to someone--preventing her people from attacking the humans will condemn them to death; attacking the humans creates sacrifice of innocent lives; leaving to find the Transmigragem herself would cause Embellia to be leaderless and might leave room open for rebellions and attacks on the humans anyway).

It's all very subjective. Emelone doesn't say much about her motives, so we can't know.

But please, at the very least correct the part about Embellia attacking humans in revenge for Nessiah's actions. They were following his suggestion out of desperation, not knowing that he was the thief in question (or at least the puppetmaster).

Also, tcaudilllg: If you ever need a devil's advocate of sorts to try to elucidate Gulcasa or Nessiah's perspectives and possible perspectives, just PM me or something.

[Yuka]

You'll always try to make Nessiah or Gulcasa the good guys, Feral.

[tcaudilllg]

@Feral Phoenix:
Actually I was hoping you might be open to offering the Gulcasa and Nessiah analyses you posted to your journal to the wiki.

But I will PM you about Nessiah and Gulcasa, because yeah, I am interested in them.

This post has been edited by tcaudilllg: Jan 16 2008, 01:21 AM