ITT politics, srs discussion guys! Options

[Lloyd Seegymont the Rasier]

Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean they're smart

No. But at least he/she is well spoken...unlike some new members.

[Raijinili]

My elitism-fu is better than your elitism-fu

[P.P.A.]

SINCE WHEN IS RAIJ A NEW MEMBER

HE'S ONE OF THE FIRST MEMBERS OF LCN. HE JUST MADE A SECOND ACCOUNT >:O

[sandpenguin]

Well, it's true that every type of government have their advantages/disadvantages....humans are very crappy at doing this because they will never kept standing on one type, it will always change. If one gets what he/she wants, the other one will keep bugging the winner until someday well, the winner fell.

a)Yeah, P.P.A have a point on democracy....

1.Would you want a fool of a village elect a new chief? Surely not, right? Because the fool really don't know or care about the tribe future.... One small step that we do now will GREATLY change the future, like a satellite signal, even if you missed the receptor just one inch from the satellite, it will multiplies and become a BIG problem in the space.

2.Sometimes, we really don't know what the leader have for us.....he/she maybe will say something nice, before the election but after the election? Bah, not even a thing that they do what they promised to us for, they just sitting there, digging their nose for gold.

But something funny about this.....whenever the re-election comes round the curve, the leader become active again! Marvelous! Unbelievable! Heck!

b)The communism also have it's shits and golds....

1.No freedom of speech, EVEN IF YOU SAY 'Oi, you have a big moustache, can't you change it?' to the leader will get your head flying without wings in the air.

2.Fucking paranoia. If you stay paranoid, you will usually have a lot of enemies. Why? No trust.....sometimes we must take a risk into entering a joint venture, friend.....

3.State property, without it, capitalism arise.....with it, nothing good or bad happens. All guys equal, but at the cost of slower development, but I'm a bit skeptical about this because take a look at Cuba, they're communist but they have BEST literate rate and health care, but still the other two above scares me off from this typr of government.

c)Ah capitalism, the other side of the weighter, rival of communist and fascism.....

1.Without the government controlling the properties, many private company will rise like mushroom and the owner will, be more rich compared to the humble president. This big, mega company would be the main tax giver to the government, but at what cost?

Although capitalism/democracy abhors slavery, but they have a 'new' makeup called exploitation. What's this thingy? Well, in order to get more wealth, you need to have a capital like workforce, resources, and so more but this costs the company some fortune, so to lessen the burden, they must go to other developing country and exploit their economy for themselves.

How can this developing countries can develop into more sophisticated civilization when their citizens gonna have work 12 hours in a stuffy factory without any safety regulation for 5 bucks a month? Or work 3 hours in the deepest sector of mine for 5 cents an hour? Gosh, I better eat some grass and drink my own saliva for it.

Oh yeah, global warming.....ahh, a big pool around my house! Recently in Bali there was a conference. Developing countries were urged to stop their heavily contaminated factories for the sake of Earth itself, I know I love the earth itself but if they do this they will lose their lifesource! Even at one time I will live in a m ore greener earth but I don't have anything to barter trade for a bread!

Why also the capitalist refuse to follow this earth-lovers? Well, they owned the factories in the developing countries! (Most of them, in fact) Everytime I opened the box of electrical appliances I will see this, MADE IN CHINA, THAILAND, INDONESIA and others.....shoot, if I continue this again I will eat a whole page. The simple thing was it was CHAIN-REACTION, THE DOMINO'S EFFECT, THE STRING EFFECT.

2.The winners always win, the losers always lose without any chance to change their life...poor for those in the area.....although we have freedom and all that stuffs, it will always lead us into something bad. The only way was to give up something to gain something, as gaining everything will make us EXPLOIT MORE AND MORE, and if can, the juice of the person can be handy.....

Well, let's face it, do you want to be a capitalist or communist, one masked in democracy and another in laws were everything respectively....it's too polarization....is there anything in the middle?

Answer is: Dunno, each men have their own opinion.....

d)Constitutional monarchy....like Britain, Japan, Thailand and Malaysia.....Britain flopped but regain back it's balance. If not, it will become like Nepal.....The Magna Carta failed, but it makes a new version of government...a hybrid one called (refer above)

At first, kings might be good....but will it stand like that, forever? It might if the king drink the potion of eternity....As an example Yggdra, (Yeah, who else?) She was INDEED just and cares for her citizens but will her offspring (OMG, Yggdra had sex?) does just the same thing? Absolutely not! Every kings/queens have their own agenda to work on and that's why, referring to the other three, they are ABSOLUTELY no way to have the best kind of government.....

Conclusion: But, humans must have somebody that will lead them, to organize them. It was the leader itself that will shape the country, whether to it's greatness or to it's grave, no matter the type of government that they implement into. Also, we cannot force other countries to join our government type (You there, democracy, you there, communist...etc) as they use the government type that were the BEST for them, as each civilization have their own mould (Aggressive, intolerance, open minded, paranoia, etc).
They choose what best for them (Democracy for stable countries, communism to calm down rebels, hard skulls, shitties (If Sri Lanka changed into communist, I'm sure Tamil Ilam will scurrying away...) and so on....


Sorry for the long post, but I speak what stored in my mind....and sorry for everything that will touch your feelings, as governments were INDEED a hot debate or sensitive to others. I admit that I watched a lot of news from T.V and I care for the foggy world fate now.....Good or bad depends on us, humans.

Chow for now, see ya again....

[Raijinili]

Who says a fool cares not for his people?

[sandpenguin]

Because SOMETIMES, a fool just cares about his own fate....What I mean about fools are the ones who just tick at some party without thinking carefully about his choice.

Oh yeah, one more note about communism, I'll bet that Africa (Not the south one,) will be a better country IF THEY DOESN'T USE DEMOCRACY BUT USE COMMUNISM, WHY?

Because communism enforce tight laws and restrict movements of personnel, thus reducing the amount of GUERRILLAS AND RIOTS in those poor countries.....

What I want to say was that every type of early government was based on power and might, and this will make the other shitties afraid to show it's POWER, like what happen to Africa right now....

When to use democracy? Well, after the people are more intellectual that can THINK PROPERLY and a society that was more stable, as a stable society can govern their own government more nice and organized.

Simple, Despotism-Monarchs-(The people are more tolerant to others and can think POSITIVELY)-Democracy.

[Raijinili]

So now Africans are stupid?

[Lloyd Seegymont the Rasier]

I don't think thats what Sand meant.

[Raijinili]

I don't think you have the right to be an elitist bastard, but I don't kill you every time you post, do I?

[Lloyd Seegymont the Rasier]

I don't think you have the right to be an elitist bastard, but I don't kill you every time you post, do I?

<3

[sandpenguin]

I don't mean that Rai. See, South Africa, they're africans but they've got high technology! They even built they're own military equipments! That's the positive side of democracy...IF the people don't fight among themselves...not like the useless tribe wars.

This is politic section, right? So...the hot debate!

Take a look at Iraq....yes nowadays Iraq. What happened to them? They want democracy, they get it but at what cost? Misery, pain, innocent-killing....

And what's worst...it have a chain reaction....

Kurdistan. The kurdish people now are trying to claim it's territory after the fall of saddam. And where was it's territory? Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq (They already get the last one...) I'm so sleepy right now.... just wiki it and you find the whole story. Think why the kurds suddenly become active again after the fall of saddam.

You know it... The Iraqi Freedom.... another example of democracy wannabe gone bad.

That should do it, point to point linkup, you should able to guess it without me telling the whole truth.... *yawn* sleep first....

This post has been edited by sandpenguin: Dec 26 2007, 01:45 AM

[Raijinili]

So you're saying you need many years of White rule for Africans to develop in a way so as to be able to use democracy?

[sandpenguin]

I didn't mean that! It's true that the whites who first promote democracy....no, it's the greeks first, (Then, the whites studied greek philosophy, renaissance to be simple...the examination of the hellenistic era philosophy,) I'm not saying that whites were dominant in the human society! It's just they are the one that found back the democracy after lost for about 1500 years ago....

History tells us that who's the fastest will get it's prize... (In this case, reputation...) See Thailand, Rusia, Turkey and other else....They're not conquered by Brits, Spaniard, Danish...etc,etc (Sorry, American still in the dawn of its wake, so bye-bye) but still at last they end up being democracy. (Exception to Rusia, because after monarchy they changed into communism.. )

Why must you say that Rai? Although Malaysia is a democracy (Constitutional monarchy...) country but it's not as liberal as the Europeans
did. Censorship... FRU<---Stands for Federal Rioting Unit and other else... It was democracy, Malaysian style, cast for our style...homebrew. In the conservative Malaysian life, saying something fiery will make the people angry. (Especially multi-cultural country, like us) In Europe, saying like that can be tolerated, but in our country it can't, just can't.

But still, it uses DEMOCRACY! Except it was fitted into Malaysian people living style....

Each civilization have their own preferred government style, we cannot push them like stone blocks, it will destroy them. They MAY use Democracy, but it may different from other country, this was to fit in the needs of the people in THE country, not their neighboring country or the universal one. (TIS IS DEMOCRACY, MUST FOLLOW 100% DEMOCRACY LIKE WE DID, OR ELSE IT WILL NOT BE A DEMOCRACY <---I better eat some stone rather than following what this statement said.)

Somehow, nation that doesn't use Democracy will be categorized as 'BAD' but many of the democracy countries in fact, was in chaos rather than their communist counterparts.... hmmmm, a conundrum.

[P.P.A.]

I'll bet that Africa (Not the south one,) will be a better country

Oh, Africa is a country now? I always thought it was a continent!

[sandpenguin]

Ahahaha.... sometimes I can get very lazy at editing my posts, so that's happen.

Anyways,

CONTINUE NEXT DAY ONLY..... SHOP CLOSED