Yet another school shooting., And you thought Columbine was bad... Options

[Lloyd Seegymont the Rasier]

Hearing this kinda stuff always makes me angry. The fact that people can do this without reforse, it just pisses me off. I hate to hear about it, and It always makes me sad. No one desires to have their lives taken in such a way.

[Irysa]

Apparently the guy who shot them wrote a short play about a pedophilic stepfather who kills his stepson.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...7071vtech1.html

Totally irrelevant, just mildly related.

[aerozero]

Not quite sure if this is relevent, but what kind of games to South Koreans play most?

They play MMOs a lot I've heard, some guys in South Korea have died from playing MMOs.

[Lord Ryo]

I blame rap music before videogames. Unfortunately it seems to have taken over the country and no one can escape it. *what happened to all the pop and rock music…* And what is it they always “sing” about…shootings and killings, good call, NOT! Parents use videogames as an excuse to justify their lack of parenting or commonsense. Instead their children are being raised by bad television everyone else on the planet except them. The United States has become such an undesirable place to live. You see, we have the most corrupt judicial system in the world, so when things like this happen, nothing is done about it. Anybody can kill anyone they want and get away with it, yet it’s those truly deserving of life that has to pay. Innocent people die everyday while wrongful people walk freely about. Although this isn’t anything new to America, or the world for that matter, it doesn’t make it right, people like that are nothing more than a drain on the US economy. I can guarantee you if the US was half as strict as other countries there wouldn’t be nearly as much crime. And I think anyone who would commit such a crime should be locked up, or worse *cough* lethal injection *cough* and while they’re at it, lock up those who raised them too for doing such a fucked up job. Why give a second chance, murderers don’t give their victims second chances…think about it.

[Dr Strum]

You see, we have the most corrupt judicial system in the world, so when things like this happen, nothing is done about it.

That's not due to a corrupt judicial system, that's due to the fact that nothing can be done about this. He killed a bunch of people, then killed himself. There's no one to be punished.

and while they’re at it, lock up those who raised them too for doing such a fucked up job.

You know you don't actually get a pamphlet on how to raise your children when you become a parent? Shocker, I know, but you are completely on your own.

Why give a second chance, murderers don’t give their victims second chances…think about it.

Why take more life than necessary?

[Lloyd Seegymont the Rasier]

I'd say it would be more fitting for this guy to rot in jail for the rest of his life. Killing him wouldn't be the same as him being in preson for 50-60 years, having to deal with the abuse he well receive from his
immates.

[Leyviur]

Hearing this kinda stuff always makes me angry. The fact that people can do this without reforse, it just pisses me off. I hate to hear about it, and It always makes me sad. No one desires to have their lives taken in such a way.

Anyone can be a killer in the right circumstances. Feral, you, me, Sturm, Rhia, Sauce. All it takes is the right conditions and the right combination, then you'll come out blazing.

[Irysa]

I blame rap music before videogames. Unfortunately it seems to have taken over the country and no one can escape it. *what happened to all the pop and rock music…* And what is it they always “sing” about…shootings and killings, good call, NOT!

lol at your total lack of Rap knowledge.

I'm no expert either, but that's just bullshit.

[Raijinili]

What the hell, rap music? Because it's associated with gangs? People involved in gangs are not the kind of people who would do something bad without support or pressure from others. That's COMPLETELY different from a lone gunman.

And there are also different types of rap music. The popular crap is NOT the definitive collection, and it's also NOT how rap started. It's popular because people like it, just like violent video games like GTA and Counter-Strike are popular because people like them, DESPITE the fact that GTA and Counter-Strike don't define video games. There is NO DIFFERENCE the way you're comparing the two.

This post has been edited by Raijinili: Apr 18 2007, 06:42 PM

[Yuka]

I'd say it would be more fitting for this guy to rot in jail for the rest of his life. Killing him wouldn't be the same as him being in preson for 50-60 years, having to deal with the abuse he well receive from his
immates.

I'm sorry, but the guy who commited this is, you know, dead. So therefore if this guy was to rot in jail, he'd be rotting for nothing, and it'd just be not only a more easier move, it'd also be more sanitary to just do away with the body and be done with it.

Edit: Oh, and for the record, I don't think they place murderers with other murderers and whatnot in those special federal prisons. And if they did, what if this guy could overpower his inmates? What then? No abuse for him!

This post has been edited by Sauce XIV: Apr 18 2007, 08:27 PM

[Greifer]

Honestly, it kind of pissed off everyone. But I've heard the moivation he possessed for this stems from much more than games or rap music.

As Rai stated, rap started not as they way people percieve it today, with dudes wanting money, killing innocents, etc. That's just mainstream. Orignally, rap found it's roots in Rhythm and Blues and Jazz.

Apparently, he was a disturbed student who already had a criminal background and he'd been admitted to a mental hospital. The stuff he wrote gave the teachers and students alike quite a shock.
One student even said he was suicidal, and female students admitted to being stalked. They found a video, pictures and plans for his massacre all in his room.

I don't think the blame should be put onto video games, even if's he's South Korean. I myself know many people who play games like GTA and Crackdown, and I'm pretty sure they don't stalk and kill people.

But besides his reasons and motivations, it's still unforgivable. No one will forgive him, especially not the families of the victims. He's dead now, and that's all there is to it. No one to punish or abuse.

It has nothing to do with America's corrupt judicial system.

[Lord Ryo]

That's not due to a corrupt judicial system, that's due to the fact that nothing can be done about this. He killed a bunch of people, then killed himself. There's no one to be punished.

I said when STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS. So this time excluded due to the fact that the dude killed himself, but other cases that don’t end with the killer dieing usually go unsolved or they get off on an easy sentence; that is because of a warped judicial system. And no, a corrupt judicial system doesn’t create crime; it just doesn’t do anything about the crime that’s already here.

You know you don't actually get a pamphlet on how to raise your children when you become a parent? Shocker, I know, but you are completely on your own.

Sad, but true… At the very least I think you should need a license to have a child. I mean c’mon, you need a license to hunt, a license to drive, a license to sell, but not to have a child?! I really think it would do more good to this world to limit the amount of people brought into it.

Why take more life than necessary?

It is necessary. What’s unnecessary is to do as Rasler said. Do you have any idea the amount of money it costs to keep prisoners locked up? I don’t remember the estimated amount, but it was extremely high. And do you know who has to pay for it? That’s right, us, you, your parents, all tax paying citizens! Especially considering that many prisoners are better off than so many deserving people. They get three square meals a day, a roof over their heads, and clothing on their backs; not to mention they even get privileges such as phone calls, cable, and they get to play games among other things. Maybe the overwhelming number of homeless should go out and kill to live a better life. It’s things like this that make our judicial system corrupt.

*No offense Rasler, I too would love to see evil doers rot in jail, I just don’t want to pay for it, they’re not worth it.*

lol at your total lack of Rap knowledge.

True, I’m not a rap expert, but I can’t turn on the TV or listen to the radio without hearing “Oh, I gonna CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED yeah, I got me a CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED me and my CENSORED CENSORED *over exaggerated* CENSORED CENSORED we’re gonna CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED!”

Like someone mentioned rap wasn’t originally like that *man…what happened to the good old days…* But somewhere over the years someone turned crafty rhyming into a joke. No one takes rappers seriously, and I don’t think singing about your crappy childhood and gangbanging is going to make up for it or give you a good excuse. Just do as Linkin Park did and make bad ass songs that people will actually want to listen to. TA-DA!

What the hell, rap music? Because it's associated with gangs? People involved in gangs are not the kind of people who would do something bad without support or pressure from others. That's COMPLETELY different from a lone gunman.

No, it’s people involved in gangs that are just stupid enough to do anything stupid regardless of the consequences that may result from their stupid actions. I’m not saying this guy is a gangster I’m saying killers in general. Where I live over 100% of the crime that takes place is gang related. That may not be the case everywhere else in America, but no doubt gangsters are stupid and will do anything that’s equally as stupid.

[Yuka]

That's not due to a corrupt judicial system, that's due to the fact that nothing can be done about this. He killed a bunch of people, then killed himself. There's no one to be punished.

I said when STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS. So this time excluded due to the fact that the dude killed himself, but other cases that don’t end with the killer dieing usually go unsolved or they get off on an easy sentence; that is because of a warped judicial system. And no, a corrupt judicial system doesn’t create crime; it just doesn’t do anything about the crime that’s already here.

You know why? Because there's nothing you really can do. Crime is one of those things that you can never do away with, as it is part of human nature to do stuff like that.

You know you don't actually get a pamphlet on how to raise your children when you become a parent? Shocker, I know, but you are completely on your own.

Sad, but true… At the very least I think you should need a license to have a child. I mean c’mon, you need a license to hunt, a license to drive, a license to sell, but not to have a child?! I really think it would do more good to this world to limit the amount of people brought into it.

There's a problem with your thinking, although it does seem to have a good amount of thought into it. See, one, people can easily prevent hunting, driving, and selling. However, you can't always gauruntee that you can have null chances of having a child, so by apparently having this so called "license" to have a child, you're technically needing to have a "license" to have sex, which in its own right is ridiculously farfetched. Take on that one, Ryo.

Why take more life than necessary?

It is necessary. What’s unnecessary is to do as Rasler said. Do you have any idea the amount of money it costs to keep prisoners locked up? I don’t remember the estimated amount, but it was extremely high. And do you know who has to pay for it? That’s right, us, you, your parents, all tax paying citizens! Especially considering that many prisoners are better off than so many deserving people. They get three square meals a day, a roof over their heads, and clothing on their backs; not to mention they even get privileges such as phone calls, cable, and they get to play games among other things. Maybe the overwhelming number of homeless should go out and kill to live a better life. It’s things like this that make our judicial system corrupt.

Maybe the federal system should stop feeding that failing program called Social Security and actually use that money that we put into it through taxes for something more beneficial.

lol at your total lack of Rap knowledge.

True, I’m not a rap expert, but I can’t turn on the TV or listen to the radio without hearing “Oh, I gonna CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED yeah, I got me a CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED me and my CENSORED CENSORED *over exaggerated* CENSORED CENSORED we’re gonna CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED!”

Wrong on two accounts. You can easily turn on the TV or listen to the radio, it just involves some effort on your part to choose stations that don't have that kind of language. There's multiple stations for a reason, you know.

Secondly, mainstreem/popular rap is NOT like that. First off, there are not that many swearing words IN A ROW. Usually they go like two or three, then use some other words, then go back. They do this through whole songs.*

*I am not totally sure on this, as I don't listen to rap. Someone who is more experienced in the area feel free to correct me.

Like someone mentioned rap wasn’t originally like that *man…what happened to the good old days…* But somewhere over the years someone turned crafty rhyming into a joke. No one takes rappers seriously, and I don’t think singing about your crappy childhood and gangbanging is going to make up for it or give you a good excuse. Just do as Linkin Park did and make bad ass songs that people will actually want to listen to. TA-DA!

While you are entitled to your musical beliefs, Linkin Park is not the solution, nor have they truly made any badass songs lately. While this was different in the past, its not now. Also, not everyone will want to listen to Linkin Park. I mean, what about the farmers? They're all "country or bust!" with music and whatnot. Also, rapping =|= singing. Get your facts straight before trying that one, please. And while I'm still talking about rappers, some people do: The fans.

What the hell, rap music? Because it's associated with gangs? People involved in gangs are not the kind of people who would do something bad without support or pressure from others. That's COMPLETELY different from a lone gunman.

No, it’s people involved in gangs that are just stupid enough to do anything stupid regardless of the consequences that may result from their stupid actions. I’m not saying this guy is a gangster I’m saying killers in general. Where I live over 100% of the crime that takes place is gang related. That may not be the case everywhere else in America, but no doubt gangsters are stupid and will do anything that’s equally as stupid.

Sometimes people are FORCED into gangs. Peer pressure is a high motivator in schools, and thus can lead to very stupid results. Also, how do you have over 100% of crime taking place? I'm pretty sure that 100% encompassed all with the exception of like gross incomes. Also, not all gangsters are stupid; that's just stereotyping.

This post has been edited by Sauce XIV: Apr 19 2007, 08:31 PM

[Rhiannon]

Sad, but true… At the very least I think you should need a license to have a child. I mean c’mon, you need a license to hunt, a license to drive, a license to sell, but not to have a child?! I really think it would do more good to this world to limit the amount of people brought into it.

That's silly. Requiring a license to legally have a child will not stop the amount of babies born. I highly doubt it will even make much of a difference. And if it could, that would make people get punished over something really stupid, and I'm sure it would make abortions more common. You know, more death. A piece of paper can't stop childbirth.

No one takes rappers seriously, and I don’t think singing about your crappy childhood and gangbanging is going to make up for it or give you a good excuse.

If you believe that, then why would you blame their music before video games?

[Dr Strum]

that is because of a warped judicial system.

The judicial system is not warped. I mean, if you don't want legal rights, you can leave America, that's fine.

At the very least I think you should need a license to have a child. I mean c’mon, you need a license to hunt, a license to drive, a license to sell, but not to have a child?!

There should also be a fine for quoting a stand up comedian's act in a real discussion. Driving, hunting and selling are not natural, procreation is.

Do you have any idea the amount of money it costs to keep prisoners locked up?

Did I say prison was an appealing alternative?

It’s things like this that make our judicial system corrupt.

You're confusing the judicial system with the penal system.

Where I live over 100% of the crime that takes place is gang related.

Mind telling us where that is? Because I have a hard time believing that all jaywalking is done with gang related intent, I doubt all the "California stops" that occur each day are gang related, I highly doubt all that music you download is to distribute to your gang bangin' buddies in the 'hood.

I mean, what about the farmers? They're all "country or bust!" with music and whatnot.

Terrible joke; get out.