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[Feral Phoenix]

The gameplay fun was negated by the guilt. Hence it was not fun anymore.

[Dr Strum]

What guilt?

[Feral Phoenix]

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The guilt of not wanting to hurt Gulcasa but needing to in order to continue the game. What possible other guilt could I be talking about on BF44/45?

[Dr Strum]

Yeah, I mean

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It's not like he's not directly responsible for the death of Yggdra's parents and, depending on how you play, Gordon, as well as being indirectly responsible for the deaths of Kylier, Joachim, Rosary or Roswell, and countless Embellians, Fantasinians, Karonians, Cruz's entire rebellion group, wiping out much of the church, and, oh, yeah, he enslaved Russell by holding his fiancée captive, and who knows what he did to Leon to make him that way... Oh, and his goal the entire game is the reawakening of Brongaa to destroy the world.

[Feral Phoenix]

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You really dislike Gulcasa, don't you?

1. I always save Gordon.
2. Yggdra's parents weren't really nice people.
3. Kylier did that to herself, sadly. :< If not for the Protect lock on the witch and Eudy being her normal pyromaniac self, I would've gotten through the gate easily.
4. Joachim was Luciana being a bitch.
5. Rosary and Roswell are their own fault, and/or Nessiah's.
6. Mizer killed Cruz's comrades, according to the BF description itself.
7. Aside from Flone being locked up, nothing else bad seemed to have happened to her.
8. We never learn why Leon is a sadistic bastard. IMO he's been like that for a while.
9. We don't know exactly why Gulcasa wanted to resurrect Brongaa other than that it would destroy Fantasinia. While possessed, he says he's doing it partially to reinstate their lineage, but he probably has his own personal motives that we know nothing about. And Brongaa doesn't destroy the world, just human civilization. (IMO humans suck, so that's not really so bad.) All we know is that he actually says to Luciana or Aegina (whichever you don't kill) that it's supposed to be their last resort ("This situation calls for our last resort. I need your support in this", etc. etc.)

Regardless, even if you don't care about Gulcasa, I do, and he's not so evil as you perceive him to be, so it doesn't sit right with me that I have to kill him.

[Rhiannon]

Gulcasa is one of my favorite characters, but I'm at least willing to acknowledge the bad things he's responsible for.

[Dr Strum]

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2. Yggdra's parents weren't really nice people.

And how the hell do you know this?

3. Kylier did that to herself, sadly. :< If not for the Protect lock on the witch and Eudy being her normal pyromaniac self, I would've gotten through the gate easily.

You do not understand the meaning of indirectly. Why do you think Eudy was shooting? Gulcasa's orders.

4. Joachim was Luciana being a bitch.

Yeah, Gulcasa REALLY didn't care if Yggdra got coronated. If that were true, he would have ordered her back with him - you KNOW they listen to his orders, considering when he tells them to retreat after the other one's death in BF43, they do what he fucking says.

5. Rosary and Roswell are their own fault, and/or Nessiah's.

Yeah, because Russell and Leon's presence in the Verlaine hills had nothing to do with it escalating to a full on war.

6. Mizer killed Cruz's comrades, according to the BF description itself.

Mizer killed Cruz's comrades because Gulcasa put out a fucking bounty on them.

7. Aside from Flone being locked up, nothing else bad seemed to have happened to her.

Yeah, aside from her fiance being enslaved into Gulcasa's army. Did you not even read the whole point?

8. We never learn why Leon is a sadistic bastard. IMO he's been like that for a while.

Elena explains differently.

9. We don't know exactly why Gulcasa wanted to resurrect Brongaa other than that it would destroy Fantasinia.

He fucking says he wants a world where the strong rule the weak! Do you just block out the canon you don't like?

and he's not so evil as you perceive him to be,

He's trying to destroy the world! Obviously he's fucking evil, the only one worse is Nessiah who wants to destroy the God's, using portions of the planet as a fucking battle cruiser.

[Feral Phoenix]

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And how the hell do you know this?

Why do you think KYLIER hates them so much...? >_> Do YOU block out the canon that doesn't support YOUR arguments? Fantasinian monarchs have based their sovereignty on banishing/abusing/conquering other nations based on what they themselves perceive to be just. Hence Lost Aries and Marduk, where everyone hates Fantasinia.

Elena explains differently.

She says that before Leon joined the military, he wasn't a bloodthirsty psycho. We don't know how long ago Leon joined the Imperial Army, or why he turned into a psycho. For all we know it's PTSD.

He's trying to destroy the world!

Show me one quote where Gulcasa says he's trying to destroy the world. BRONGAA wants to destroy HUMAN CIVILIZATION, but does Gulcasa? No way for us to know that. In BF44, when he starts talking about destruction and burning people to ashes in his hellfire, Brongaa is fucking with his head. (Yggdra: He's been possessed by Brongaa's madness!)

I'm at least willing to acknowledge the bad things he's responsible for.

Gulcasa has killed good people. So has every person in the Royal Army. When you look at it that way, he's not really that different from them.

[Dr Strum]

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Why do you think KYLIER hates them so much...?

She doesn't hate them for who they are, she hates them for being "Kingdom folk."

Hence Lost Aries

lololol You didn't pay attention at all. Lost Aries is in the state it's in because the Vanir that reside there challenged the Gods and were severely punished. Kylier says this herself. End of BF39, trying to make Yggdra not invade Bronquia.

and Marduk

The people in Marduk hate EVERYONE. Have you ever been to the country side? They hate people from the city. In real life, and in most accurately portrayed settings.

Show me one quote where Gulcasa says he's trying to destroy the world.

Rhea is getting the quote for me; see it in her post.

So has every person in the Royal Army.

List some. Because the only people they have killed were those that attacked them first, except for the civilians of Bronquia which WOULD NOT LET THEM PASS FREELY.

Also funny how you ignore the other points.

[Rhiannon]

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Gulcasa has killed good people. So has every person in the Royal Army. When you look at it that way, he's not really that different from them.

I never said that they were any better. But you're twisting this, trying to make it seem like Gulcasa is an innocent little fairy that flies around in a land of good deeds and that he should not be punished for what he's caused.

And Gulcasa DOES want the world to be ruled that way. He implies it and pretty much explicity states many times before BF44. Want a quote of one of those "pretty much explicit" statements? Here's one from BF43:

The only law is raw power!

These aren't explicitly stating it, but they're certainly hinting at it, and they're from 17 and 18:

Show me your strength!

Prove your might in battle!

I'm pretty sure he said another thing in a story event, but I can't remember the exact quote or when it was that he said it.

[Megaolix]

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Gulcasa : Ugh... Graahhh...! The strong rule the earth... That is the Bronquian way... ............ O new sovereign... You were magnificent...

That's the quote you forgot, right? He say it just before he dies.

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[Rhiannon]

I think so.

[jcdietz03]

Call me crazy, but I like BF4. It not too hard, not too easy... You have enough advantages that, if you play it right, you will never lose a clash. There's plenty of terrain and unit relationships to help you.

BF1: Way too simple to be fun. Still, the tutorials in this game are some of the best I have ever read.
BF2: Still too simple...
BF3: Too hard...

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BF17: WAY too hard (Gulcasa).
BF28: WAY too hard (Gulcasa).
BF32: This one has decent difficulty. I thought it was pretty fun. Make sure you give someone the headgear item if you have it (Void ailments). And GEN up items. And use your terrain advantages (Bridge, Road, Town, Water). For the last part, Gordon is allowed to die (Not Kylier, Yggdra, or Milanor). So make sure you let him. So for your opening move, move Gordon to the town and attack the imperial knights. After that, Aegina and Gulcasa will come after the rest of your team. I put Durant on the top-most bridge and Nietzche on the water. You can survive for a long time w/ those 2. Winning will be easier that way... If you want to try and steal their items, Milanor needs MAX morale. He'll die if you don't have it.
BF44: The last part of this is difficult b/c Gulcasa is so strong. For me, Yggdra and Milanor died many times before winning...
BF47: I'm not sure I like this one either. Basically if you choose easy mode (Kill Astarte first) then winning is simple. If you choose hard mode (Kill Nessiah first), I can't win. It's just too hard. HIGH status PLUS regeneration?

All of the BFs you guys mentioned are REALLY difficult. You guys must be hardcore gamers or something.