Advice on defeating Aegina's valk squad in Framm?, How best to do things the hard way Options

[Dr Strum]

Would you think the Golden Wheat is more important then the Dragon Killer?

Maybe. But that has nothing to do with if Warping is better than Hoof movement for getting the Wheat.

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Like I said, if you really, REALLY just desperatly need that Wheat and don't think you'll need the Dragon Killer just Warp over and grab it.

But honestly, I'd find it easier just to smack Aegina for the EXP, save the Warp Shoes, and get the Wheat. Everyone wins.
Well except Aegina, but we don't care about you...

[Dr Strum]

This has nothing to do with the Dragon Killer, stop bringing it up.
This has to do with what is better at getting the item; a unit with warp movement or a unit with hoof movement.

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

I just felt like it was worth mentioning the downside to using the Warp Shoes this early on, it's nice to have more info then less.

And I'll concede that if yes, Warp is better then Hoof. But I'm just warning people whom read this that using the Warp Shoes this early with Rosary will have a downside.

[Dr Strum]

You do realize that almost everyone that would have the Warp Shoes this early most likely knows about said trade off?

[Yuka]

I didn't even know you could get the Warp Shoes this early, but then again, I wasn't able to steal from Mizer every single time so far.

By the way, I thought BF 15 only has two parts, and defeating Aegina wasn't necessary in either of them, so, aside from getting the Zolfy and EXP, why are you even fighting Aegina?

Edit: Oh wait, I found the third part, never mind, don't bother correcting me please on the "two part" part.

This post has been edited by Sauce XIV: Mar 17 2007, 01:14 AM

[Dr Strum]

BF15 has three parts; you don't even have to encounter Aegina, but beating her is most definitely not necessary.

[Shake]

I finished that battlefield yesterday with the same goal and suceeded!! :)
The way it worked for me was to use both Durant and Nietzsche (with breast plate), put Durant on the first turn on the bridge and moved Milanor and Nietzsche 1 space(I used necerogate to get there since I have Roswell). In my second turn I moved Nietzsche in the water to make a union with Durant while moving Milanor to the house with the straw hat (Used Steal for this). Next turns I used to attack the mercanaries group with the 2 spear units while moving milanor and Yggdra as close as possible to the bridge (not in union). I finished Izaghi off with Nietzsche to get his item.

Then I moved Durant on the 2nd flag (road) and Nietzsche in a water tile diagonal from it (close to the bridge) and waited for the valkeries to come. This part requires a bit of luck since the banshees with toothpicks used to come at me without their leader :) . I finished her with my strongest card after she attacked me while using 2nd strongest card (Nietzsche took her down in one blow with a critical, go Nietzsche!). I used the remainder of the turns to get the Golden wheat and to gloat with the hard aquired Deathbringer :)

[Feral Phoenix]

Good for you! :D

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Too bad a strategy like that doesn't work. There are a ton of random variables, like Nietzsche's critical hit, the damage done in a charge/counter, the strength of someone else's units, etc. etc.

In honesty, the best way to beat her this early would be to risk suffering massive damage to Milanor and just have him STEAL that stupid Death Bringer. She's a lot less scary without it.

Or of course, lovely 'Avoid Critical' items. Keep in mind, I think the only ones you have this early is the 'Iron Choker' and 'Shell Breastplate', Female Only and Nietzsche Only respectively. So you'll need a decently strong Nietzsche and another female unit, so Yggdra or Rosary.

[Shake]

true, but the problem is that the valkeries won't have the disadvantage they would have against spears (they are neutral against swords and staffs, to spear it's a triangle, so a decrease in ATK). I tried it several times with Roswell but in all the runs I would lose too much morale or wouldn't even make it though he has a 4 star TEC.

[Dr Strum]

Valkyries are weak to Staves in YU's weapons triangle. The reason your Roswell was floundering is because he's weak to Holy and has low ATK.

[Shake]

sorry sturm, you are wrong on the first one. Start your game and check weapon types, there you will see swords as well as axes and spears are neutral (-) against staffs. They are weak against spears and scythes ( a triangle). This does matter for if the valkeries go agressive they will only get a - when fighting spears instead a O when fighting staffs.

The holy weakness of necros I know. I should have said I meant at part 15-1 the knight on roads are strong and win sometimes despite using staff users since they usually have less ATK compared to Durant and Neitzche.

Also one comment on the sites guide: on battlefield 10-2 on place where you find the rune crystal the square says "demon crystal". just to let you know.

[Rhiannon]

Sturm was right. Staff users are strong against sword users.



Note the text that says "Attacker" and "Target". A staff user attacking a sword user gets a circle.

[Raijinili]

The confusion lies in the fact that while Staff gets a bonus against Sword, Sword is not weak against Staff.

Also, Suzu was right about Rosary and Durant. Sturm just won't admit it.