Marietta... (MASSIVE SPOILERS) Options

[Rune_Ocarina]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone is able to shoot this down, but this could be the extent of my imagination.

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First of all, the island that rose to the heavens could be considered as Riviera. Even though it was smaller in YU when you were on it - but use your imagination here.

Ok, now, going with the 'bad' ending in YU, Marietta was supposedly killed by Yggdra and her army and Ragnarok had begun. The gods, startled by the strength of the Royal Army, consider them demons - for their inhuman ability to challenge the gods.

The war rages on, with no side seeing victory nearby in the future. This leads to the Gods creation of the Grim Angels - leading to the Gods destruction and their hand-down of power to the Seven Magi (let's consider them as a council before the Gods' deaths) - but even then, the Grim Angels alone are not able to fully turn the tide of the war. They are, however, able to push the Royal Army back to the island, back on Riviera, and keep the fight there.

The Seven Magi, seeing this as their only opportunity, send Riviera back down to Earth, yet not all the way.

The island, now in the borderline of heaven and Earth is the new battleground for the bloody Ragnarok. The Grim Angels are successful, and finally deal a heavy blow to the Royal Army. Though it is not enough for the Seven Magi, as they foolishly (insert powerful attack - something like an Ankh for example -) and destroy every living creature: Grim Angels and Royal Army alike on the island of Riviera.

Devastated by the amount of damage the war had cost, the Seven Magi wished to learn from the Gods mistake, and hope to prevent something like this would never happen again. So as their first act of supremacy, the Magi (and this is where it gets even crazier) destroy every living being on Earth and create the Sprites - the human equivalents - on Riviera. This way, the Magi could monitor the Sprites and form them into being the Gods before them had intentionally wanted before reforming Earth. Yet something had been miscalculated. The essence of the dead Grim Angels (forgot what they were called >.<) had seeped into the soils of Riviera. The first several hundred years go by unnoticed, but soon, changes begin to occur. Sprites are beginning to deform from random contacts of the essences of the Grim Angels that had fused to the floating island.

The rise of demons...

This goes unnoticed by the angels up in Heaven.

Now Hades, after the destruction of the humans on Earth, soon discovers Riviera, and make his home deep within the floating isle, shielded by the mystical powers of the deceased Grim Angels, the Magi don't suspect a thing. Hades is able to control the newly formed demons by creating Greater Demons - Accursed. This is where the revival of Marietta comes to play, as she was killed on the island. Though still controlled by Hades, she still keeps her faith by declaring she is a fallen angel, yet has no power to stand up against the powerful Hades and (let's just guess she's controlled like a puppet.)

I guess you could call that a sad ending in YU terms. I don't remember how everything happened word for word, so pick it apart as harshly as you want to. >.<

But you know what...

/bubble
/hearth
Hahahahaha!!

[Dr Strum]

it mentions there are multiple "fallen" angels that resided in Tetyth because they sought greed and power.

It didn't say why the Angels of Tetyth were expelled, but they are the founders of Tetyth. All those statues that the girls accuse Ein of feeling up are of them.

I speculate that one of those angels managed to survive and Become THE Archangel in Riviera.

You can't become an Archangel if you're a Fallen Angel.

Marietta's Twin Sister slays her "Good" counterpart out of jealousy for her rank, is condemned along with the rest of the Angels, and obtains "Archangel" Status by embracing her personal sin of murder.

... Even if that weren't insane, that wouldn't explain how she became a (potentially metaphorical) child of Hades with the ability to spawn demons.

The war rages on, with no side seeing victory nearby in the future.

Actually, it says the God's created the Grim Angels out of fear of losing. A last ditch effort.

After a rather thoughtful entrance, your argument descends in to drivel however, especially since you forget the important fact that the Magi were instated following the death of the Gods, to rule in their stead; Hades did not CHOOSE Parveeju as his home, he was imprisoned there; and that's not how it could have worked with Marietta since the Riviera Archangel was banished from Asgard.

Also, you all seem to forget that demons and humans are the same thing in (at least) the Riviera universe.

[Rune_Ocarina]

I knew I'd forget something =P

Oh well, at least I tried.

[Dr Strum]

Hey, you still got the part of Ancardia's suspended state being reminiscent of Riviera's. I never thought of that until you brought it up.

[Ruby Eyes Yuan]

After a rather thoughtful entrance, your argument descends in to drivel however, especially since you forget the important fact that the Magi were instated following the death of the Gods, to rule in their stead; Hades did not CHOOSE Parveeju as his home, he was imprisoned there; and that's not how it could have worked with Marietta since the Riviera Archangel was banished from Asgard.

Also, you all seem to forget that demons and humans are the same thing in (at least) the Riviera universe.

Well, I did say my theories were crap to begin with, didn't I?

I'm still considering going on with the fic when I have the time, however. I at least hope the story doesn't end up sucking badly...

[Dr Strum]

Try to pay attention to the quotes. They keep the context.

[Raijinili]

It's not a coincidence. They know that 666 means something in the western world. They might not know what it means, but it's foreign => exotic => cool.

[Feral Phoenix]

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You know, just because Ending C has Yggdra and co. starting Ragnarok doesn't mean that it's THE Ragnarok we see in Riviera. My personal theory is that YU would end in the "canonical" A ending, but that Ragnarok would eventually be started by demons some time afterwards (from hundreds to thousands of years, we don't know). Marietta, the young angel we see in YU, would be kicked out of Asgard at around this time.

Asgard, Utgard, and Heaven's Gate are all floating islands--Ancardia was originally a floating island but was expelled to Midgard (the human world) as we notice.

Midgard is where the humans live; my guess is that after Ragnarok, the Sprites (such as the Undines we see in YU) got moved to Utgard/Riviera to avoid conflict with humans. Remember, the Sprites were enslaved by the demons and fought for them in Ragnarok.

You can see this stuff a lot more coherently in The Tainted, where the story of YU gets referenced a few times by Celina, but yeah. Sorry if that made no sense.

Basically I think YU and Riviera take place in the same universe, but different places and different eras. 'Cause there are just WAY too many Riviera references in YU, from Banangos and "kokori no mi" (translated in YU as "Kokorinut" while it's "Applecot" in Riviera) to Mjollnir (which they say is a Diviner) to Nessiah's design (you just know that it ain't coincidental that he looks so much like the Magi...) and Marietta's cameo at the end, for them to be just references.

And since we don't know the life span of angels, the Marietta we see in YU could easily be the same archangel in Riviera or some relation of hers.

[Dr Strum]

You know, just because Ending C has Yggdra and co. starting Ragnarok doesn't mean that it's THE Ragnarok we see in Riviera.

Oh wow. Never thought I'd hear that from you.

but that Ragnarok would eventually be started by demons some time afterwards (from hundreds to thousands of years, we don't know).

How convenient.

Ancardia was originally a floating island but was expelled to Midgard (the human world) as we notice.

Cite your source. Now.

Basically I think YU and Riviera take place in the same universe, but different places and different eras.

How convenient.

'Cause there are just WAY too many Riviera references in YU, from Banangos and "kokori no mi" (translated in YU as "Kokorinut" while it's "Applecot" in Riviera) to Mjollnir (which they say is a Diviner)

OMG All the Final Fantasy's must be related too! They all have Chocobos, the same spell names and ultra powerful equipment, HOLY CRAP FF8 IS A SEQUEL TO FF7!

Nessiah's design (you just know that it ain't coincidental that he looks so much like the Magi...)

I believe it is. I thought he actually looked a bit more like a ghost, his robe being tattered and goofy looking, while the Magi's look very ceremonial.

Marietta's cameo at the end

Cameo? You say that as if she appeared in another game. Which she didn't.

[Lord Ryo]

That would be too cool if the Arch Angel from Riviera was the same in Yggdra, I just love that kind of stuff. I'm not going to get into an explanation on how, but I'd guess they're suppose to be the same. They look identical and even thou she wasn't named in Riviera, she was called the Arch Angel, as Marietta is in YU.

[Lord Ryo]

It has come up before, and, like I said before, Marietta's name means nothing canonically.

I just noticed I have a warning against me Sturm. Would this be because I didn't mark spoilers in the topic title? *Can't think of another reason why* And if so, you said yourself that the mentioning of her name doesn't mean anything, so what happened?

But perhaps I misunderstood your comment, you did however use the word canonically in error. So what did you mean?

[Dr Strum]

she was called the Arch Angel, as Marietta is in YU.

Archangel is a class of angel. Unless you're of the presupposition that there is only one. In that case, I guess Ein is the only Grim Angel. Fia the only sprite...

Would this be because I didn't mark spoilers in the topic title?

Partly that, partly because you had semi-spoilers in the topic title.

But perhaps I misunderstood your comment, you did however use the word canonically in error.

No, I did not use it in error. You're just trying to hard.

[Yuka]

Fia the only sprite...

Which of course couldn't be right, as there's Lina and Cierra. I'm not so sure if the Arcs are also Sprites or not, though.

But perhaps I misunderstood your comment, you did however use the word canonically in error.

No, I did not use it in error. You're just trying to hard.

Replace canonically with story-wise, and you get the same message.

Atleast, I think that's the case. Correct me if I'm wrong.

This post has been edited by Sauce XIV: Feb 23 2007, 06:40 PM

[Dr Strum]

I'm not so sure if the Arcs are also Sprites or not, though.

Arcs are a race of sprites, like the Cefiro.

[Yuka]

I'm not so sure if the Arcs are also Sprites or not, though.

Arcs are a race of sprites, like the Cefiro.

My point still stands, however.