A semi-philosophical question, For those few who have a brain Options

[Ethronix]

Ahem....

All right here goes:

Lets say a sane person who is not depressed or suicidal wants to take his/her own life. Should said person be allowed to? If no then why? And what gives someone the power to decide the fate of another. Likewise if yes then why should someone with nothing to gain by such an action should be allowed to simply "quit" life, die and likely depress close relatives?

Anyone up for arguing talking about this?

[Yuka]

Lets say a sane person who is not depressed or suicidal wants to take his/her own life.

As far as I'm concerned, only suicidal people want to take his or her own life.

[Dr Strum]

Then you have a black-and-white view of the world.

[Rhiannon]

Likewise if yes then why should someone with nothing to gain by such an action should be allowed to simply "quit" life, die and likely depress close relatives?

What makes you think that there is nothing to gain by ending your life? If they believe that there will peace of any kind after death, that may be a reason they would do it. Especially if their life as it is now has no peace or happiness or anything like that.

Although, I'm not really sure why anyone would consider suicide if they were "normal" people who have perfectly fine lives. I can't see what reason there would be to do it, and I've never heard of someone considering it with no reason.

[Raijinili]

Depends on the personal opinions of the value of life, relationships, etc., so it can't be answered unless you also give us the values.

[Ethronix]

What makes you think that there is nothing to gain by ending your life?

Allow me to explain. Personally I think that humans in general have much to gain through death, but given that thats a mostly minorty view so I didn't include it.

Although, I'm not really sure why anyone would consider suicide if they were "normal" people who have perfectly fine lives. I can't see what reason there would be to do it, and I've never heard of someone considering it with no reason.

First off said person is merely hypothetical however I personally have known a person who is quite like the said descerption, however reasons vary as many as there are people so I'll say this, the primary motivation for non-depression/stress related suicide is religion.

Depends on the personal opinions of the value of life, relationships, etc.

Good point.
Alright here are three very shallow and fictional values and people attached.
person 1values of.....
human life-low
material objects-med
religion-med
realtionships-high
person 2values of.....
human life-high
material objects-low
religion-med-high
realtionships-high
person 3values of.....
human life-low
material objects-low
religion-high
realtionships-low

But remember this:We were talking about wether or not someone should be allowed to kill themselves though you did bring up a good point...
(Please excuse any errors I've been up for way too long and should've gone to bed about 3 hours ago so my typing gets sloppy...)
Anyways I'm going to sleep now and won't be back until I've finished whatever it is I was doing.

[Leyviur]

If someone wants to kill themselves they can go do it. They're them and I am me. I can try convincing them not to or to stop them from dying if I'm able, but in the end it's their choice and they'll have to take the consequences that lead from it.

[Buddhu]

Well, let's see. The view of someone on this issue will depend greatly on their beliefs about life and death. From my perspective, a human has no right to take his life, because it does not belong to him in the first place, so I would say no. In the end, if someone wants to, people may not be able to stop him, but he'll have to deal with that decision. The feeling of wanting to take one's own life is, in my opinion, just a test. A person who cannot overcome these feelings is a person who could not face the challenges of the world...honestly, though? Wouldn't a religious person want to hold on to his life? If (for those who believe in it) God gave someone life, imbued a body with a soul and allowed it to breathe, then why would a person want to take it away? One should be grateful for the life that they have. And, um...that's all for now. ^^'''

edit: I saw the reason for the person wanting to commit suicide (yeah, that's basically what it is, no matter the reason), and, umm...

Again, I say that life is a gift one should value. What kind of religion would support suicide, anyway?

This post has been edited by Buddhu23: Jan 12 2007, 02:40 AM

[Dr Strum]

a human has no right to take his life, because it does not belong to him in the first place,

So who does it belong to?

[Rhiannon]

Allow me to explain. Personally I think that humans in general have much to gain through death, but given that thats a mostly minorty view so I didn't include it.

Oh, okay. Well, what I said answers part of the question, at least.

What kind of religion would support suicide, anyway?

What kind of religion has a god that kills many innocents just because the majority of the people killed were sinners? What kind of religion has a god that punishes people for things that they cannot control? There are a ton of religions and they all have many different beliefs, and they ALL have at least one thing that is questionable.

Now, to answer the part of the question that I have yet to answer. Yes, I think they should be allowed to. I mean, it definitely seems like a selfish thing to do, when you consider the people who were close to the person. However, it also seems selfish to force that person to stay alive when they don't want to for whatever reason.

[Leyviur]

...because it does not belong to him in the first place, so I would say no.

Who does it belong to? God? Don't make me laugh.

Again, I say that life is a gift one should value. What kind of religion would support suicide, anyway.

Religion is for the weak. Religion is a giant cesspool of hypocrisy that people without spines draw strength from. Every religion is a bullshit attempt at seeming good while pushing its own agenda. "Be courteous to others and do good deeds... but only when it is convenient." Fuck that shit. Religion is for suckers. Anyone who attempts to use religion as an argumentative tool instantly fails.

[Dr Strum]

What kind of religion has a god that kills many innocents just because the majority of the people killed were sinners? What kind of religion has a god that punishes people for things that they cannot control?

Hey now, that sounds like some Yggdra talk, there.

Every religion is a bullshit attempt at seeming good while pushing its own agenda.

Just like everything else in this world?

Anyone who attempts to use religion as an argumentative tool instantly fails.

So then you fail. Because that is what you just did.

[Leyviur]

Just like everything else in this world?

Pretty much.

So then you fail. Because that is what you just did.

I didn't use it to argue anything. I merely stated what it was.

[Dr Strum]

You used religion as a basis for argument against Buddhu's point.

[Leyviur]

I didn't use it against his point, I said it invalidated it.