 The Great Mystery of the Aghart!!, Accursed? Not? (SPOILERS are here) |
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 Aug 19 2006, 04:42 AM
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 Shy  Group: Arcs Posts: 38 Joined: 15-August 06 Member No.: 192  |
For some reason I think gods=good since devils=bad but, yes, thats not necessarily true. They are still against the demons obviously, so my point still stands. the gods wouldn't use their language to summon an enemy force. Talking doesn't mean backstory. Neither does my previous thought. My point is that neither have any real backstory. I suppose that with their ability to talk and express reasons for their actions, that makes it look like they have more to them. But I still think that the Lindwurm has a more palpable idea behind him since you deal with demons throughout the entirety of the game. Besides, where did the brats come from? The Accursed! Like the Lindwurm. This post has been edited by paperweight: Aug 19 2006, 04:45 AM ~~~ It's all a dream. Yeah... just a dream.
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| Dr Strum |
Aug 19 2006, 04:52 AM
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 Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
Um, no.
The Accursed have the ability to summon demons, that doesn't mean all demons came from them. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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Aug 19 2006, 05:01 AM
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Shy Group: Arcs Posts: 38 Joined: 15-August 06 Member No.: 192 |
ok well it sounded good in my head
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| Ebe |
Nov 1 2006, 07:30 AM
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Casual Chatter Group: Arcs Posts: 89 Joined: 1-November 06 Member No.: 262 |
Personally I believe Aghart is a member of the accursed, and I'll try to back this up as well as I can.
The fact Aghart was called the "Holy Beast" doesn't mean much, unless you try to claim the equally sacred Lindwyrm and Archangel were not Accursed. Also if I recall, the japanese refers to the Accursed as "Angels". Throughout mythology, "divine" and "good" are not synonymous. Within Zoroastronism, both the spirit of pure goodness, Ahura Mazdah, and the spirit of pure evil, Angra Mainyu, are equally powerful and divine. The Accursed were defeated at one time, but will continue to revive because of the existence of their spirits, the "Dark Progenitors". These souls are formed out of the fears of others (The consuming flame of Aghart, the merciless blade of Isher, the destructive hunger of LindWyrm, the pitiless judgement of Archangel, and the inevitable fate of Death). Through this, they give power to demons, the servants of Hades, who is the enemy of the gods. The gods whom people honor in order to protect them from their fears. Ursula knew that Hector was planning on totally screwing up Riviera and merging with Seth, which obviously is just about the worst possibility for Riviera, the realm she protects. So lets say crazed axe murderers were hacking their way through your establishment, and you had a cage with an equally crazed dog that happened to have a personal vendetta against anyone with an axe. Don't you think that maybe, just MAYBE you'd sic the thing on them? It's a perfectly reasonable response, and sensible for Ursula to have done it. Aghart is simply a divine monster set in opposition to Asgard. It probably didn't like Ursula in particular, but it DID notice the two Grim Angels, and WOW would it hate them. I mean, 1,000 years ago they killed it. The "backstory" on Aghart is essentially that of Ragnarok itself. |
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| Dr Strum |
Nov 1 2006, 02:22 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE Ursula knew that Hector was planning on totally screwing up Riviera and merging with Seth, which obviously is just about the worst possibility for Riviera, the realm she protects. Warong. Hector didn't decide to awaken Seth until Ein was taken by Ursula, I believe at the end of Chapter 2 is where the scene shows up. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| Raijinili |
Nov 1 2006, 04:12 PM
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 Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Actuating the retribution is awakening Seth. Pay attention.
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| Dr Strum |
Nov 1 2006, 04:21 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE(Ursula in Chapter 7 Script (after final boss)) Ein... Thank you for fulfilling your promise... Hector and Seth have vanished... There is no one left to actuate the Retribution. Riviera is saved. QUOTE(Fairies in Elendia Script (end of Chapter 1)) Hector is planning to call upon the Sealed One, Seth... Oh, how dreadful... With Ursula's power weakened... If the Sealed One were to be revived... The Retribution would be inevitable... QUOTE(Hector in Elendia Script (end of Chapter 2)) I didn't think Ursula would attempt to stop me... In order to activate the Retribution, Ursula must be dealt with. I have no choice but to summon the Sealed One... Taken from your script dumps. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| Ebe |
Nov 2 2006, 01:48 PM
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Casual Chatter Group: Arcs Posts: 89 Joined: 1-November 06 Member No.: 262 |
QUOTE(Dr Sturm @ Nov 1 2006, 03:22 PM)  Warong. Hector didn't decide to awaken Seth until Ein was taken by Ursula, I believe at the end of Chapter 2 is where the scene shows up. Well she still knew he was planning on activating the Retribution. And why on Earth would she give Aghart that speech about "My enemy is also yours" unless the two of them weren't normally friends? If I was on, lets say the Sprites team, and the Guardian of the Sprites summoned me, I wouldn't mind helping out. If on the other hand I was one of Hades Generals I'd probably be like "WTF Woman?" but then she'd be like "Look, Grim Angels" and I'd be like "Oh, so there are, well I'll get to killing them right away, FLAME TEMPEST." |
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| Yuka |
Nov 3 2006, 01:57 AM
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 We'll soak this parched earth with our own blood. Group: Magi Posts: 2140 Joined: 27-July 06 From: Gensokyo Member No.: 177 |
QUOTE(Ebe @ Nov 2 2006, 08:48 AM) And why on Earth would she give Aghart that speech about "My enemy is also yours" unless the two of them weren't normally friends? I'm going to try to understand this line to the best of my knowledge, but what you basically said is that they WERE friends? ( As shown by the statement above, about how Ebe thinks that Ursula would not have said that UNLESS Ursula and Aghart were NOT normally friends) Chances are I completely misread it, so I apologize in advance if I did. However, if I didn't misread that, then basically that line contradicts like a fourth of your previous post. ~~~ [20:15] Irysa: I hate myself
[20:15] Irysa: I made myself some curry [20:15] Irysa: and then [20:15] Irysa: I realised [20:15] Irysa: I wasn't hungry |
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| Rhiannon |
Nov 3 2006, 09:50 AM
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 I'm really moved by the chicken bone Group: Gods Posts: 2033 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Minnesotablarg Member No.: 4 |
I'm pretty sure you misreasd it. He was saying that IF Ursula and the Aghart were allies, Ursula would NOT have said "My enemy is also yours".
Anyway, I just thought of another thing. Wasn't the Isher summoned with a phrase in the sacred language, too? ~~~  |
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| Dr Strum |
Nov 3 2006, 05:16 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
Your point?
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| Rhiannon |
Nov 3 2006, 08:21 PM
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I'm really moved by the chicken bone Group: Gods Posts: 2033 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Minnesotablarg Member No.: 4 |
I bet everyone is always talking to you, even if they're actually talking to, you know, someone else.
Some people brought that up and tried to say that it was proof that it wasn't an Accursed, so they're wrong unless the Isher isn't one. Now... back to more important business. QUOTE Aghart is not an Accursed. Nobody will take you seriously if you don't even attempt to state why it's not. Haha, what a joke you are. Like Ledah. ~~~ |
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| Dr Strum |
Nov 3 2006, 08:26 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
You're assuming that Demons don't know the Sacred language.
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| Rhiannon |
Nov 3 2006, 08:29 PM
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I'm really moved by the chicken bone Group: Gods Posts: 2033 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Minnesotablarg Member No.: 4 |
No I'm... not? What are you talking about and where did you even get that idea?
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| Dr Strum |
Nov 3 2006, 09:17 PM
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Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE I bet everyone is always talking to you, even if they're actually talking to, you know, someone else. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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