RAI H8 REVELLION - Lacrima Castle

RAI H8 REVELLION, STING = WARONG

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Rhiannon

Aug 17 2006, 03:21 AM

Post #31

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Aw. I was hoping you'd just do what you've been doing instead of posting logs. That way I wouldn't have to waste my time with a lost cause. :(

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So the only alternatives are that Revellion fits better, or that they fit equally well. Are you claiming Revellion fits better?

I'm saying Revellion fits better. Because Rebellion doesn't fit in the slightest. I'd rather take a chance with something from some other language or that is made up rather than something that definitely does not fit.

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Nearly all words in these two Sting games come from somewhere or are derived from something. If you say that this one is, for some reason, not, then provide other examples of this to show that it is plausible as an explanation.

Uh. Ishiene. One example. Tell me if you can find anything about it.

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That's not how logic works. You can't just say, "Until I'm proven wrong, I'm right."

Yes, I can. Either way, that sure seems like what you're doing. :O

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So because of a possible typo, you're saying that this is not proof that Sting makes mistakes in translating words back? You are not thinking.

Unless they made the typo and decided they liked it, Revellion wouldn't show up three times as the same thing in three different games. And if they decided they liked "Revellion", then it wasn't meant to be a word. *POINTS TO ISHIENE*

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I know that Revellion is not a common word, if a word at all, in any language.

Just because it isn't common doesn't mean they can't use it.

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Then you are also claiming that "Revellion" makes sense in the context of the game, without being compared to Rebellion. Then you'll have to show how the meaning of the word fits in with its context.

Except, remember, you have no idea what it means, do you?

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than Rebellion does.

Yeah, somehow you can see into my thoughts and know whether or not I have an idea of what it means.

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I called it "random" because the comment was about me without being directed at me, and was in response to a post that was about the discussion, not me.

You don't know who it was directed at. And that isn't the definition of "random", unless you can prove me wrong?

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[18:10] IHateMegao: When you have a bad translator, V can be B

I was busy with Kia. It's easy to miss something when you're paying attention to someone else.

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[18:13] IHateMegao: When it's a bad translator, IT CAN BE

Kia again. I'm not allowed to be unable to multitask, right? :((((

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[18:15] IHateMegao: You should know enough about how katakana works to know that the translation into katakana is only as good as the translator

Yeah, because apparently everyone can ignore the rules of it for the hell of it. I didn't even know what you meant with that until now.

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When have I once said that you couldn't be right? Your side is the one claiming absolutes as the stance in this argument.

I'm claiming that you can't be right because you have no proof for your argument.

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Raijinili

Aug 18 2006, 05:48 AM

Post #32

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QUOTE (Dr Sturm)

Yes, Revellion does, in fact, fit better than Rebellion.

Back it up, please. Try to show that Revellion fits.

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Well, I've never heard of Gran Centurio before YU, nor Gulcasa or Ishiene.

Gran Centurio: "or are derived from something.

Gulcasa and Ishiene: I meant items and attacks (since I wouldn't be able to tell you what Fia meant off the top of my head), but I'll take the fruits of my mistake.

Ishine is a Japanese family name.

Gulcasa is not close to anything I know of, and it's hard to count it as a translation error.

QUOTE (Rhiannon)

I'm saying Revellion fits better. Because Rebellion doesn't fit in the slightest. I'd rather take a chance with something from some other language or that is made up rather than something that definitely does not fit.

It fits Riviera, which is more than can be said for "Revellion" in EITHER game.

QUOTE (Rhiannon)

Yes, I can. Either way, that sure seems like what you're doing. :O

Show evidence instead of making baseless attacks.

QUOTE (Rhiannon)

Unless they made the typo and decided they liked it, Revellion wouldn't show up three times as the same thing in three different games. And if they decided they liked "Revellion", then it wasn't meant to be a word. *POINTS TO ISHIENE*

Or they made the typo and never found out it was wrong.

QUOTE (Rhiannon)

Just because it isn't common doesn't mean they can't use it.

But it doesn't have a meaning that any of us seem to know about. It's more likely not a word than a rare word, because if it was a word, rather than a misspelling of a word, it would be more common than it actually is.

QUOTE (Rhiannon)

Yeah, somehow you can see into my thoughts and know whether or not I have an idea of what it means.

Am I wrong, then?

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You don't know who it was directed at. And that isn't the definition of "random", unless you can prove me wrong?

It was directed at no one in particular.

And for random:
http://www.answers.com/random&r=67
"Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective"

The comment did not fit the pattern. Also, I hate dictionaries.

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I was busy with Kia. It's easy to miss something when you're paying attention to someone else.

Kia again. I'm not allowed to be unable to multitask, right? :((((

One time I spoke after Kia, and the other before. You mean you ignored what I said.

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Yeah, because apparently everyone can ignore the rules of it for the hell of it. I didn't even know what you meant with that until now.

Since when has ANY language followed a set of rules?

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I'm claiming that you can't be right because you have no proof for your argument.

You still don't get it.

I can just as easily claim that you're wrong because you have no proof for your argument. Logic simply doesn't work that way.

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Dr Strum	Aug 18 2006, 05:58 AM Post #33
Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5425 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1	ISHINE is, but what about ISHIENE, and don't even try to pull that "OH STING IS JUST BAD AT ROMANIZATION" crap again. And, I say Revellion fits better, because a made up word fits better than a completely unrelated word. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.

Raijinili	Aug 18 2006, 06:06 AM Post #34
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2538 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16	[quote=Sturm]ISHINE is, but what about ISHIENE, and don't even try to pull that "OH STING IS JUST BAD AT ROMANIZATION" crap again.[/quote]It's not wrong romanization, but it's certainly not normal. There was only one "e" in the original katakana. And why can't I pull it if it's true? [quote=Sturm]And, I say Revellion fits better, because a made up word fits better than a completely unrelated word.[/quote]Riviera and YU spoilers » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Rebellion fits Riviera and not YU. Revellion fits neither. Therefore, Rebellion fits better.[/quote] ~~~

Dr Strum	Aug 18 2006, 06:18 AM Post #35
Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5425 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1	No. It does not. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.

Rhiannon

Aug 18 2006, 06:43 AM

Post #36

I'm really moved by the chicken bone

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It fits Riviera, which is more than can be said for "Revellion" in EITHER game.

Constantly saying that Rebellion automatically fits better just because you don't know what Revellion is DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE CORRECT. It doesn't matter that I don't know what Revellion means, because I'm not the one claiming Rebellion makes more sense and that we're wrong if we say it's Revellion.

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Show evidence instead of making baseless attacks.

I'm still waiting for you to show evidence. And I'm not attacking you. And it's not baseless. Aren't you the one who came in and yelled at us, saying "No, it's Rebellion"?

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Or they made the typo and never found out it was wrong.

No proof for this. omg impossibal 2 pruuuv y dont u jst call it revelllion since tahts waht tehy say and gt on wit ur laif liloololololololol.

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But it doesn't have a meaning that any of us seem to know about. It's more likely not a word than a rare word, because if it was a word, rather than a misspelling of a word, it would be more common than it actually is.

It's either made up or it's NOT ENGLISH OR JAPANESE. Your logic isn't making any sense. I mean, what about defenestrate? That's a rare word, but you don't see me going around saying it's actually castrate and someone made a mistake and it's definitely, without a doubt, not a word.

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Am I wrong, then?

Yes, you are wrong. But that wasn't the point, now, was it? It had more to do with you making baseless assumptions.

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It was directed at no one in particular.

You don't know that. Again, you can't read people's minds.

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And for random:
http://www.answers.com/random&r=67
"Having no specific pattern, purpose, or objective"
The comment did not fit the pattern. Also, I hate dictionaries.

While you are right about random, that site has incorrect definitions of certain things. Never use it again.

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One time I spoke after Kia, and the other before. You mean you ignored what I said.

Going by your logic, this is a baseless attack. But either way, it had more to do with that fact that I generally pay more attention to other people instead of you. Because, you know, you start whining about things like this. See? That was far closer to an attack than anything else I've said. Stop it.

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Since when has ANY language followed a set of rules?

Since forever. Stop teaching people things if you don't even understand how languages work.

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You still don't get it.

Then perhaps you should explain better. I've said before in this thread that I'm not a genius who can see the meaning behind every sentence.

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I can just as easily claim that you're wrong because you have no proof for your argument. Logic simply doesn't work that way.

Except I DO have proof for my argument. Revellion. Written in katakana in three different games, and English in one. Most likely going to be written in katakana for a fourth game. That's more relevant proof than what you've brought up.

Okay, so, let's go over this again:
1. You basically are saying we're wrong and that we can't be right. Else you wouldn't have popped into the thread just to say "NO YOU"RE WRONG IT'S REBELLION!111"
2. You can't read people's minds.
3. You make assumptions too often, and they are frequently wrong.
4. Don't link to sites that have incorrect information to prove your point.
5. You haven't presented anything relevant as your "proof."
6. Sting has never made a mistake like this before, so it kind of lowers the chances of you being right.
7. V cannot be B. If you whine about Sting making a typo or some such again, I'll direct you to point six.
8. You don't know the meaning of "baseless" and "attack."
9. You haven't played Yggdra Union, so you don't know if it fits better or not.
10. Sting says Revellion.
11. Atlus says Angelic Thunder.
12. You say Rebellion. Are you a professional company who wouldn't hire a bunch of idiots to do all the work?
13. Nothing points towards it being Rebellion.
14. This argument is going nowhere because of your stubbornness.
15. It's Revellion unless Atlus translates it to something else.

Sting has more credibility than you do. It's Revellion. And guess what, Rai? You're always wrong. You can't be right ever, that's just impossible. Because, you know. You're never right, and all. If anyone suddenly decides to back you up, they're automatically wrong, too. That's just how the world works, after all!

I'm not posting here again unless someone has something to say about the actual topic.

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Leyviur	Aug 21 2006, 01:35 AM Post #37
Just Some Guy Group: Gods Posts: 576 Joined: 24-December 05 From: Ground Zero Member No.: 10	If it's spelt revellion in the game, then that's what it is until the English version comes out. Discussion over.

Raijinili	Aug 25 2006, 02:26 PM Post #38
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2538 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16	I finally come back after the forum upgrade and this is what happens? JERK! ~~~

Ebe	Nov 2 2006, 01:43 PM Post #39
Casual Chatter Group: Arcs Posts: 89 Joined: 1-November 06 Member No.: 262	While I have no strong opinion about whether the move is Revellion or Rebellion, I will say that after that move is enacted, Sting pulls a romanization brainfart and text pops up around the Revellion caster saying "Pulified", which is obviously supposed to be Purified. So, well, they obviously weren't THAT careful.

Dr Strum	Nov 2 2006, 03:22 PM Post #40
Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5425 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1	So? They also say "GENOSIDE ATTACK" even though they got "Genocide" right. ~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.

Rhiannon	Nov 2 2006, 03:42 PM Post #41
I'm really moved by the chicken bone Group: Gods Posts: 2033 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Minnesotablarg Member No.: 4	That's not exactly the same, though. They don't have a distinction between l and r (they do when it comes to actually pronouncing them sometimes, but not when writing) so it's easy for them to make that kind of mistake. Most things I've seen usually write stuff with "b" instead of "v" even though, in katakana, at least, they have characters for those "v" sounds. It seems like they tend to use the "v" characters more often when it could be something else with the "b" character. Like if someone wanted to write Volt, they'd most likely write it as ヴォルト(voruto) rather than ボルト(boruto) because they could end up with something different if they don't. For this... it just wouldn't make sense in the slightest if it was meant to be Rebellion. I'd also like to think Sting knows how to write rebellion in katakana... ALSO IF ANYONE SAW THIS POST BEFORE I EDITTED IT, FORGET WHAT YOU JUST READ. Apparently I have issues typing right now and ended up typing the exact opposite of what I wanted. ~~~

Rhiannon	Jun 7 2009, 10:03 PM Post #42
I'm really moved by the chicken bone Group: Gods Posts: 2033 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Minnesotablarg Member No.: 4	You win, Rai. After three years, you win. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « It's "Rebellion" in Kitten. ~~~

Raijinili	Jun 8 2009, 04:57 AM Post #43
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2538 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16	HOW HOLLOW ~~~

Rhiannon	Jun 8 2009, 02:14 PM Post #44
I'm really moved by the chicken bone Group: Gods Posts: 2033 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Minnesotablarg Member No.: 4	I DON'T KNOW WAHT THAT MEANS BUT » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I'M SORRY FOR BEING SUCH A JERK TO YOU THREE YEARS AGO. NOT BECAUSE I'VE CHANGED MY STANCE IN THE ARGUMENT (WHICH I HAVEN'T) BUT BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I GOT SO RIDICULOUSLY ANGRY ~~~

Raijinili	Jun 10 2009, 05:06 AM Post #45
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2538 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16	IT MEANS THAT I DON'T THINK I CARE ANYMORE WHAT WITH THE YOU KNOW AND THE I STILL DON'T KNOW. also it's Atlus, and you're complaining about atlus ~~~

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