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[Dr Strum]

Tales of Vesperia demo sucked. It was way too slow. It was like being launched out of a cannon through molasses.

[Endless]

Tales of Vesperia demo sucked. It was way too slow. It was like being launched out of a cannon through molasses.

It's up? Japanese Marketplace, I'm guessing. I'll have to give it a shot.
Oh, and I'll save everyone the trouble:

Holy crap, Endless!?

[Irysa]

You're just used to Abyss with AD skills and high agility.

Abyss was that pace for about 70% of the game. (why I disliked it mostly.)


I didn't mind the demo but half of that was only because the main character isn't a total pussy and you have a motherfucking dog in your party. I probably won't buy it though.


I've never really liked anything by Team Symphonia specifically anyway though. Where's my Team Destiny Localizations Namco? :|

Starting with finishers and 21 skills and gaining at least one every levelup for every character? Argh, take a goddamn leaf outta their book at least, spending most of the game trying to get you know, cool stuff isn't fun. It's like playing a single player MMO.

This post has been edited by Irysa: Jun 25 2008, 11:51 PM

[Dr Strum]

I never play Abyss. It's boring.

As for the waiting to get skills - that's stupid. Can you use a Kamehameha Wave as you are? No, YOU have many years of training ahead of you, young grasshopper.

[Irysa]

Taking over half the game to get the good stuff is not enjoyable.

It's understandable if they're easing you in but past the 10 hour point there is frankly no excuse at all. Only ULTIMATE abilities shouldn't be allowed by that point.


And Symphonia is even slower in that regard then Sturm.



http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/27/931714/Tales.avi

Comparison video for Yuri attack speed to Luke. Luke is slower. I'll make videos of them running as well if you want.

This post has been edited by Irysa: Jun 26 2008, 01:18 AM

[Dr Strum]

Taking over half the game to get the good stuff is not enjoyable.
It's understandable if they're easing you in but past the 10 hour point there is frankly no excuse at all.

Ten hours IS the half-way point in Symphonia, so I don't see what you're complaining about. And I'd like to point out that having everything from the start is not enjoyable at all. I know from experience.

Comparison video for Yuri attack speed to Luke. Luke is slower. I'll make videos of them running as well if you want.

It's not about animation speed (but I'll point out that Luke has a much larger sword than Yuri, either way - a better comparison would be to Guy or Lloyd/Zelos), it's about reaction and recovery speed.

[Yuka]

I say this from experience, ten hours is not the half-way point of Symphonia.

[Dr Strum]

Me and Sasha have defeated Symphonia in well under twenty hours, with sidequests. Just because you can waste eighty or more hours on it doesn't mean you can't (without even rushing) beat it in twenty.

[Irysa]

Oh my, I can speedrun DMC3 in under 3 hours but does that mean the first time you play the game it's that long?

No.

Ten hours IS the half-way point in Symphonia, so I don't see what you're complaining about. And I'd like to point out that having everything from the start is not enjoyable at all. I know from experience.

I'm complaining about Abyss.

It's not about animation speed (but I'll point out that Luke has a much larger sword than Yuri, either way - a better comparison would be to Guy or Lloyd/Zelos), it's about reaction and recovery speed.

I had much more issues with Abyss than the Vesperia demo for recovery speed besides Yuri's flourish at the end of his combos(which guy does anyway basically).


The reaction time from the controller is just fine for me.


And I'm making a video for it compared to Lloyd right now, can't find one of someone playing as Guy in the first half of Abyss.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/27/931714/Tales2.avi


here's the same video with Lloyd on the end. He's still slower than Yuri.

This post has been edited by Irysa: Jun 26 2008, 02:27 AM

[Dr Strum]

Oh my, I can speedrun DMC3 in under 3 hours but does that mean the first time you play the game it's that long?

These aren't speed runs. We get all the items and watch all the scenes.

I'm complaining about Abyss.

Abyss was boring, no one cares.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/27/931714/Tales2.avi

Lloyd's combo was longer; that's hardly a fair comparison. Lloyd's was five hits, all the other only four.

[Irysa]

These aren't speed runs. We get all the items and watch all the scenes.

It doesn't matter. You know what to do, where to go, and how to play. The time length is not comparable.

Abyss was boring, no one cares.

Rhia and Ash disagree, and I was arguing with them about this before you.

[Irysa]

LLoyd's combo only needs 3 inputs.

Sorry for the double post, forgot to do edit instead.

This post has been edited by Irysa: Jun 26 2008, 02:36 AM

[Dr Strum]

It doesn't matter. You know what to do, where to go, and how to play. The time length is not comparable.

As would anyone with an FAQ.

Rhia and Ash disagree, and I was arguing with them about this before you.

As if they set the precedent.

LLoyd's combo only needs 4 inputs.

... So? What does that have to do with this? And you're wrong, anyways - you only press the A-button three times to pull off that combo.

[Irysa]

As would anyone with an FAQ.

Wait, people play with FAQs on their first run through?

Sounds awfully lame to me.

As if they set the precedent.

They do.

... So? What does that have to do with this? And you're wrong, anyways - you only press the A-button three times to pull off that combo.

I edited my post before you made that one.

It doesn't matter how many hits, Yuri needs 4 inputs for his one and so did Luke. Lloyd only needs 3, and his takes longer. His combo is slower.



http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/27/931...0Difference.avi


run speed. No notable difference between Abyss and Vesperia. (the disatnce in the Vesperia clip is bigger anyway)



This post has been edited by Irysa: Jun 26 2008, 02:46 AM

[Dr Strum]

Wait, people play with FAQs on their first run through?

You'd never need an FAQ on any playthrough after your first.

I edited my post before you made that one.

No you didn't.

It doesn't matter how many hits,

Yes it does, since you're measuring animation speed. A longer attack will take longer to animate, and thus appear longer.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/27/931...0Difference.avi

Luke covers far more ground than Yuri does in the same time frame.