Battle Technique qusetion, PLEASE NO SPOILERS! Options

[kelia_zephyr]

I just got the game, thinking that since Riviera was so fun, this game would be too.

But it's HARD! I'm on... chapter 3 I think (where you have to take over the bases) and well... I'm low on morale.

So, does it get any easier? Or are my techniques just bad? I know about the weapon triangle and union stuff, but I can't use the special moves on the cards yet...

Any advice? And please please please no spoilers since I'm not very far in the game yet.

[Dr Strum]

That's battlefield four (Guide: BF4-1), not chapter three. Chapter three starts at BF12. BF3 is the one were you saved Durant.
Anyways. The weapon advantages and disadvantages are not the only thing you should be paying attention to. You should also pay attention to units' effects, terrain, time of day, elements, etc. Knowing the weapon's triangle (especially since there are a lot more weapons than those three) will not get you through the game.

[kelia_zephyr]

Okay thanks, I couldn't remember... I'm taking a break and playing through Riviera again.

But I'll try again and look at the terrain... and I know there's more than the three weapon types... I read through the booklet that came with the game and it explained a few things to me... I guess I just have to keep plowing through.

However, starting Ch.4, Milanor (?? the thief) has a little less than half his original moral... should I start over? I already used the fur coat and iron cross (since Durant and Yggdra were hurting for moral)

EDIT: Oh, and another quick thing... why do the opposing armies get more "sneak attacks" in the dark? And against Milanor... I mean, he's a thief! Wouldn't he do better in the dark anyways?

This post has been edited by kelia_zephyr: Jan 13 2007, 08:21 PM

[Dr Strum]

Chapter four already? Why, that would be BF19. Interesting.
Look, you need to learn the difference between CHAPTER and BATTLEFIELD.

And there is no "Iron Cross" item, there could be one that looks like it, but I don't know which one that would be.

[Yuka]

Remember, this is not Fire Emblem. Each battle is not a "Chapter", they're "Battlefield"s. Chapters are series of battles that divide one segment of the game from another.

And, not to be rude or anything, but if by BF4 Milanor is needing Morale just to get through the battle ( i.e. HE IS SO LOW IF HE LOSES ONE MORE SKIRMISH ITS GAME OVER), then that's bad deployment.

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

I'd recommend maybe restarting, the game can be a little hard at start. You really shouldn't be having to use any Morale consuming items that early... It's absolutely vital to remember in the early stages to ALWAYS have the weapon triangle in your advantage.

And what do you mean by "sneak attacks"? Only Assassins receive a boost at night time, Milanor only gets a boost on Wasteland terrain.

[kelia_zephyr]

Sorry, I get the difference now... it helps when you actually complete a chapter... and to be fair, I'm more in Riviera mode than Fire Emblem mode...

and yeah, I started over... but I'm also still playing on my file where everyone's morale is a little low...

Looking at the terrain helps tons... so thanks much!

Umm... oh yeah, the sneak attack things... Well, sometimes the enemy attacks me (usually at night) and they kill my leader. I go into a 2 second panic, and then I usually end up losing the skirmish because all my guys are defeated... so I just try not to attack at night now unless I'm using Milanor.

When do I get to use the special skill moves from the cards?? Soon? I'm on BF5 right now. (yeah, I get it now!)

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Oh that's a critical hit... And I think the chance for a critical hit is based on the enemy LUK so... Your just really, really unlucky I guess?

I think skills are useable in BF... 6? Maybe 7. It's the level where the Undines use Blizzard...

[Yuka]

You gain the ability to use skills in BF7.

[kelia_zephyr]

Oh, okay, I'm almost there then! Yeah thanks so much! This game is a lot more fun now!

[Guest]

Okay let me give you some hints for the beginning. If I'm saying beginning, when I don't mean the third playthrough!

1. Do not union!!! It's so easy to pick a ''useful'' card (anything else than Revolution) and run to a bridge with Durant alone.

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To give you an example: BF 10-2 (kill Roswell or Rosary) is a typical road-Durant level.
- You can give Durant an item with auto recovery or protection from criticals.
- Pick a card with high movement and run through the golems (horses can move through enemies). Don't attack them.
- Pick your chariot card and move him on the road near the fort. Don't union with other characters. Together with Chariot you have no problems with the witches. Now you can move Yggdra next to a golem to push your cards.
Kill Rosary and get Roswell. Don't get me wrong, they are both weak. Roswell is better, because he can defeat Aegina, X-formation costs less movement and he can wear the boss badana(Always Ace) in order to manage your first meeting with Gulcasa without morale damage.

2. Do not ever use such fucking cards like Revolution :-( . Really helpful cards with high movement are Sanctury, Chariot and Gravity Chaos. After you conquered the bridge you can not lose with Ace Guard or Shield Barrier. Overskill and geo advantage is so much win while union causes only morale damage. ;-)

3. To find all treasures you have to move step by step and explore the map with useless cards when the enemy doesn't want to attack.

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If you increase Durant's TEC with milk(BF with the three burned forts), he will become a god. Now you can play Chariot and Ace Guard much more effective.

4. Gulcasa: Always the same. Find a way to curse him with Gravity Chaos. ;-)

[Rhiannon]

Unfortunately, there's a ton of problems with most of your "hints."

1. Do not union!!! It's so easy to pick a ''useful'' card (anything else than Revolution) and run to a bridge with Durant alone.

Ignoring a key element of the battle system is a horrible idea. First, you'll have to deal with the battle penalty, and then you will find yourself unable to take advantage of it since, you know, you'll only be using one unit. And bridges aren't exactly common.

The spoilers that follow are very minor, but I'm being careful since Kelia specifically asked for no spoilers.

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Don't get me wrong, they are both weak. Roswell is better, because he can defeat Aegina, X-formation costs less movement and he can wear the boss badana(Always Ace) in order to manage your first meeting with Gulcasa without morale damage.

They're stronger than Durant, and Roswell is NOT better. Rosary will actually have an easier time against Aegina, anyways, since she doesn't have to deal with being weak to holy. And I'm not sure what you mean by "X-formation costs less movement" so I'll just ignore that for now. And, uh, the Boss Bandana isn't going to help you much against Gulcasa. I'm not sure what makes you think it will.

Do not ever use such fucking cards like Revolution :-(

You must have forgotten that Refreshment exists and is the worst card ever. :(

Really helpful cards with high movement are Sanctury, Chariot and Gravity Chaos.

Why would you want cards with high movement if you're not going to be using unions the way they're meant to be used? You'll end up starting with such a low amount of aggression. And it's not like you can rely on earlier clashes in the union, since you... aren't using unions properly.

Overskill and geo advantage is so much win while union causes only morale damage. ;-)

Card skills and geographical advantages don't do anything more than cause morale damage, either, in the end. Well, except for Steal, Item Break, Earthquake, and Medusa Eye. But you're relying on Durant, so those aren't options. How does your comment make any sense? I have surely missed something, so please explain.

3. To find all treasures you have to move step by step and explore the map with useless cards when the enemy doesn't want to attack.

That's a great idea, to waste all of those turns. Well, if you don't care about getting the MVP bonus, anyway.

4. Gulcasa: Always the same. Find a way to curse him with Gravity Chaos. ;-)

False. You must not be very far into the game if you think Gravity Chaos will solve all of your problems with Gulcasa.

[Yuka]

You must have forgotten that Refreshment exists and is the worst card ever. :(

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If he's saying that Durant is "the godliest unit ever" (Which is what he's implying), then I strongly doubt he's at BF18 or BF46/47.

Anyways, like Rhia said, his "hints" are strongly inaccurate and not really worth using.

This post has been edited by Sauce XIV: Jan 15 2007, 03:55 PM

[Enzd]

Revolution is -not- a card to be ignored. Use it whenever you can. Really.

[Dr Strum]

I disagree.