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post Aug 25 2011, 09:01 PM
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Since PPA's been PPA, we now have access to the World Guidance book and will be working on translating passages of interest. They'll be posted here(in later posts, since keeping them together won't fit).

THE BOOK LIKES TO USE A BUNCH OF WORDS THAT MEAN THE SAME THINGS AS OTHER WORDS AND I'M MORE SURE NOW ABOUT WHAT WORDS I SHOULD BE USING BUT I'M LEAVING THIS SECTION HERE JUST IN CASE ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS:

神々-'the gods.' We all know who they are, but for whatever reason, everyone in the games talks about them like they're still alive, even though they died back in Ragnarok(every game takes place after it). If "the gods" shows up in something talking about stuff after Ragnarok, it probably just means the Magi. If it shows up when talking about the people that made the surface worlds and stuff, it's the gods. They're apparently computers.

守護天使-'guardian angel.' The Heaven's Gate entry thinks this is "Archangel," but Kitten used the term once(supposedly).

地上-'above ground,' the plane of existence that the surface worlds(地上世界) exist in, so it's the surface. You could think of it as a big ring/shell that wraps around the underworld(which is infinite...maybe it actually wraps around the heavens :U), with Asgard on the other side.

冥府-directly translates as 'hades' or 'realm of the dead.' By now it's obvious that the games use "the underworld" as its meaning, but it apparently doesn't describe the entire place.

魔界-'demonworld', this is the whole place, but it's rarely spoken about. I'm pretty sure Zolgonark/Hades just owns most of it, so a lot of it falls under his name. I'M GOING TO CALL IT UTGARD BECAUSE IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF SHINKAI/ASGARD

魔神-'demon gods'. The book calls Zorgy one, but I don't think they have a proper title yet in the localized games. I don't think any others have appeared in the series yet.

魔物-'demonthings', seems to fit with what everyone calls "demons." It even mentions Slimes and Skeletons. THOSE ARE TOTALLY DEMONS. This looks like the term they use when referring to tangible ones.

魔族-'demontribes,' shows up when they talk about demons as a species/race/whatever.

Japan loves adding title and whatnot to their names, but English takes up way more space, so the localizations usually drop them unless they're being silly and using extra words. Some of the localized titles are slightly different from what Japan used, but I think I left everything as their English equivalents.

For whatever reason Japan can't stick to just quotations or brackets or parentheses, so I'll be copying whatever they do for the appropriate words/phrases in the translations. Omittableyetstillkindofimportantwords will go in [] brackets inside the sentences, and stuff in parentheses past the period are just my notes on how silly sounding or confusing the passage/sentence was.


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post Aug 26 2011, 02:47 PM
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(If anyone wants the scans, send me a PM or hit me up on IRC for the link.)

Regarding the first Ancardia entry: Perhaps it means that the people of Yggdra's post-good ending realm (or her realm itself) were called thus?
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post Aug 28 2011, 07:56 AM
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Since Rhia seems to be asleep and Walrus seems to be out of commission due to having to deal with a hurricane, I'm putting this up so we can compare notes later.

Fallen Angel 'Archangel'(堕天使アークエンジェル)
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Fallen Angel Aries (堕天使アリエス)
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post Aug 28 2011, 11:47 AM
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walrus is probably also asleep

"聖域" is not necessarily sanctuary. in this case i'd say it isn't.
http://www.google.com/search?q=聖域+holy

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%9F%9F

holy land yggdrasil or maybe yggdrasil sanctum.

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i prefer "floating garden". the kanji are sky/void center garden, and the hanging isn't implied.

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Location where Marietta granted Yggdra the scepter.
Accordingly, the descendants/peopleofthefuture? were named Ancardia.

not reading the japanese, this sounds plausibly as
marietta gave yggdra the scepter ancardia, and the people named the place ancardia after that.


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post Aug 28 2011, 03:32 PM
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NO TRANSLATIONS IN THIS POST SORRY

Hi Rhia needs a Tsuki or more direct object markers to deal with this horrible third sentence (it's even bolded for speedy finding!). I get totally lost the moment I meet a verb after the first comma because I don't know who's doing what to who or where. I also don't know if that's supposed to be だけ に限らず or だけに 限らず. Which probably isn't helping with the whole confusion thing.

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Also 113 is the true exciting page with the actual exciting information. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS.

Either I'm horrible at this or I just keep choosing the wrong things to translate. Bolded sentence is ridiculously confusing to me and underlined part is just... I don't have a clue what that's supposed to be and dictionaries aren't helping.

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post Aug 29 2011, 10:29 AM
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third sentence, page 113
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... I have no fucking idea what is going on with the third sentence on the Accursed entry. The 魔神 sprinkled willy-nilly is just really screwing with my ability to parse that particular trainwreck. Sorry. :/ It looks like something along the lines of demons establishing pecking order based on strength, and the Accursed are the highest/high-ranking?? of them? Also something about demons picking subordinates dumber than they are. I think. Here's my attempted dissection:
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I have somebody coming in tomorrow who might be able to help me out with this, even if she doesn't speak a lick of English; she might be able to phrase it in a less confusing way. If all else fails my dad's flying in on Thursday.

Also sorry about inserting the semi-colon in the page 113 bit. Japan seems to be indiscriminately pro-comma splice but I cannot abide seeing it in English, despite how I probably do it more often than I realize.
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post Aug 30 2011, 10:15 PM
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They can't be naming the floating island Ancardia, since it was already called that. They're either calling the descendants that, or the descendants are calling their world that.


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post Sep 1 2011, 10:39 PM
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Page 130, Amardians to The Seven Magi
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post Sep 1 2011, 10:40 PM
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Page 131, Grim Angels to Western Forces
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post Sep 1 2011, 10:42 PM
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Page 132, Seth-Rah to Balmores
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post Sep 1 2011, 10:43 PM
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Page 133, Fantasinian Kingdom to Rondalians
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post Sep 2 2011, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(Walrus @ Sep 2 2011, 12:43 AM) *

Hades Zolgonark (冥府ゾルゴナーク)
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Perhaps the last sentence is supposed to mean: His remaining power (after Wilimgard defeated him) had been sealed, but then Ein walked into him and he was still powerful enough to put up a boss fight.
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post Sep 2 2011, 02:42 PM
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Something a little more backstory instead of what Ein did. They have no problem stating Eintachi's various adventures, but they're not always clear about things that happen outside of the games.


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post Sep 3 2011, 07:05 PM
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This post be for the bits at the top of certain pages from 80-92. The stuff in the beginning is all pretty much in the Tome of Lost Souls, as well as the artist/designer comments. 57's is just about Kiyudzuki or whatever, and 100 on is Before Crisis junk. ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS IS LESS "DIRECT AND HISTORICAL STATEMENTS" AND MORE "I MADE THE GAMES AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED".

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post Sep 4 2011, 05:16 PM
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This post will have everything from 108-113(since I did run out of space), excluding the designer's notes(since that's probably not very story relevant) and the little comments on the art(also not relevant).

Page 109
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Page 110
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