Engrish in KitN Options

[Suzu Fujibayashi]

Quoting Wikipedia isn't always the best when, you know, anyone can edit it.

[Raijinili]

1) That Wikipedia article has no citations, so it fails "Good Article".
2) Note how it doesn't say "all non-standard variations of English". Not all "non-standard variations" count as Engrish.
3) The definition of "Standard English" varies widely. Ye Olde English, the kind of English that was used in FFTPSP, is not "standard", and it's in a Japanese game. Does that make it Engrish?

[P.P.A.]

YOU'RE STUPID jcdietz03

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IT'S ALL jcdietz03'S FAULT

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[jcdietz03]

"Apparent Racist"
From: Apparently being racist somewhere
I love that.

Can we please stop trolling?

Re: Raij: Someone thought the definition on Wikipedia was the right one. That's why they wrote that there. And not very many (not any) thought it was wrong enough to need correction.

Apparently you don't (think the Wikipedia definition is correct). I think it's Engrish. You don't. That's perfectly fine.

[Raijinili]

You are missing the point.
Reading is your friend, and being selective is bad.
I had made more than a single argument.
Even if you denied the first one, you should read the others.
Though it's painful how you think a low-traffic Wikipedia article is credible.
You should wait until you learn how Wikipedia actually works.
As for the definition you cited, there isn't only one way to interpret it.
And since you think that every mention of "racism" on this site has to be in some way related to you, I hate you so much.

[Irysa]

In after Unlimited Blade Works.

[Dr Strum]

These are statements about your opinion on something.

No. They are statements about how the ones you prefer are ridiculously overused as to be trite.

There you have it.

Non-Standard doesn't mean abnormal, it means grammatically, or spelled incorrect. The word itself is Engrish; a play on the apparent inability for Asians to differentiate between the English "l" and "r" sounds.

[jcdietz03]

What is Unlimited Blade Works?

Rai, your arguments 2 and 3:
"2) Note how it doesn't say "all non-standard variations of English". Not all "non-standard variations" count as Engrish.
3) The definition of "Standard English" varies widely. Ye Olde English, the kind of English that was used in FFTPSP, is not "standard", and it's in a Japanese game. Does that make it Engrish?"
are not relevant to the discussion. Maybe it's not the most perfect definition ever, but it is at least good. Post your definition if you want to argue further. #3 has nothing to do with text in KitN.

No. They are statements about how the ones you prefer are ridiculously overused as to be trite.

Please excuse my lack of higher level thinking about your comments. I still like my suggestions. That's just my opinion. If you think what Sting came up with is better, more power to you.

It will be interesting to see what Atlus USA comes up with in the translated version.

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[Dr Strum]

I still like my suggestions.

Because you're afraid of change.

It will be interesting to see what Atlus USA comes up with in the translated version.

How do you know Atlus USA is translating it? They haven't said dick.

And good job ignoring my other point.

[jcdietz03]

And good job ignoring my other point.

Do I HAVE to respond to EVERY point ANYONE makes?

Non-Standard doesn't mean abnormal, it means grammatically, or spelled incorrect.

You simply stated your opinion as fact. It's not necessary to label your opinions: "IT IS MY OPINION THAT" - simply state your opinion. I KNOW ITS YOUR OPINION, you don't need to say that it is.

That said, I disagree. I like the non-standard definition better. If it sounds non-standard to me, a native speaker of English, it's Engrish. That said, something being Engrish or not is a matter of opinion. It's okay if you have a different opinion.

Because you're afraid of change.

Perhaps so.

How do you know Atlus USA is translating it? They haven't said dick.

They probably will make a translated version. I'm guessing. I thought it might make interesting discussion.

[Dr Strum]

Do I HAVE to respond to EVERY point ANYONE makes?

You can't respond to personal attacks and ignore actual points. That makes you look like a troll.

You simply stated your opinion as fact.

This is not an opinion, seriously, I'm starting to think you're just trolling. Particularly since you keep telling other people to stop trolling, and the only thing you pointed out that was even a violation of the rules was flaming - not trolling.

They probably will make a translated version.

Why? What makes it so certain?

[Raijinili]

Rai, your arguments 2 and 3:
"2) Note how it doesn't say "all non-standard variations of English". Not all "non-standard variations" count as Engrish.
3) The definition of "Standard English" varies widely. Ye Olde English, the kind of English that was used in FFTPSP, is not "standard", and it's in a Japanese game. Does that make it Engrish?"
are not relevant to the discussion. Maybe it's not the most perfect definition ever, but it is at least good. Post your definition if you want to argue further. #3 has nothing to do with text in KitN.

"The definition you quote doesn't mean what you say it means" is perfectly relevant to this discussion where you quote a definition as your evidence that you're right.

The fact that you're still defending the definition itself shows that you have to Pay Attention.

[jcdietz03]

Non-standard means NOT standard. You can look up standard in the dictionary.

Rai, post your definition and we can argue this further.

The fact that you're still defending the definition itself shows that you have to Pay Attention.

I'm not sure what this means.

The release of a translated version is by no means certain. I am leaning toward the "they will release a translated version" side because

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Atlus USA is in the KitN credits. They were in the credits for JP Riviera and JP YUPSP.

By extension, I feel a US KitN release is likely.

[Dr Strum]

No, not in this context. See, despite the fact that English has more words than any other language, it still doubles, triples, or further adds meanings to each word.
Non standard in this context means grammatically or, under the header of spelling, incorrect.

Atlus USA is in the KitN credits. They were in the credits for JP Riviera and JP YUPSP.

Yeah, and there was a lot of English (not ENGRISH) in Kitten, not to mention the English voice acting. They're in the credits because they helped with the game.
And you're wrong, they were in the credits for JP YU and JP RiviPSP.

[Raijinili]

I don't have to post a definition. I already pointed out alternative interpretations of the definition YOU posted, and showed how it doesn't necessarily (or even probably) match up with YOUR definition.

Don't tell me to do something that's completely irrelevant to whether or not what I said was correct.

The Wikipedia definition says that there are nonstandard applications of English from Asia which are called Engrish. Saying that this proves all nonstandard English from Asia counts as Engrish is like saying you're a poppyseed because poppyseeds are living things.