Persona 4 HD 2D Fighter (PS3/360), by Atlus and Aksys Options

[aerozero]

awww yeaaaaaaaaaaaaah, if this does well we might get a Megaten fighter some time in the future.

The game will include original stories for all its included characters, which come from both Persona 4 and Persona 3. The overarching story is set two months after the events of Persona 4. The characters appear on a fighting program called "P-1 Grand Prix."

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/0...sona_4_fighter/

Also Persona 4 enhanced port for Vita and Persona 5 basic development prep is done

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/09/0...golden_screens/

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/08/3...rsona_5_engine/

[Shadow]

tl;dr

Nah
But I don't really agree with you on everything.

The autocombos and auto Shoryukens are totally dumb, yes. Since this is a fightan based on an RPG, they wanted to make it inviting for everyone. But that doesn't make it any less dumb.

Comeback mechanics aren't all that bad. Unless you're talking about X-Factor. I haven't tried this one yet, so I can't really talk.

Teching has NEVER stopped me from keeping a good rushdown in any ASW game.

The burst stock thing is rather subjective here, since you usually build meter for combo breakers quite faster than what the burst meter takes to refill.

Negative penalties are also subjective. Or are you going to say that you've never complained or seen someone complain about people who run away? Plus, it's not like you get it for backdashing only two or three times. It encourages you to use backdashes for evasion, rather than running away.

To be honest, I have NEVER seen this "particular move" that people always fish for in ASW games. And gimmicks add variety if implemented correctly, if you ask me.

Yes, fighters have been dumbed down a lot. Companies want to make them more appealing to newcomers rather than make them technical. They just want to make money.

[Irysa]

Comeback mechanics aren't all that bad. Unless you're talking about X-Factor. I haven't tried this one yet, so I can't really talk.

Yes they are. They go against the fucking basis of the game, to WIN. You actually get PUNISHED FOR WINNING AND REWARDED FOR LOSING.

THIS IS RETARDED.

Teching has NEVER stopped me from keeping a good rushdown in any ASW game.

"Teching" is not the problem, it's the stupid variable tech shit. It's like the recovery rolls in SFxT where you can "keep stuff going" but you have to basically guess on your own bloody okizeme which is retarded.

The burst stock thing is rather subjective here, since you usually build meter for combo breakers quite faster than what the burst meter takes to refill.

Wrong and wrong. Games with actually sensible burst mechanics (like Arcana and Melty Blood) take forever to get the bursts back. Melty you actually need to be at FULL METER and its only available for a short time, and Arcana means you cant use Extend Force for like 30 seconds or something ridiculous.

Hell even BAD games like F/UC or TVC got this one right, because you pay meter to burst. And those games are baaaad.

Negative penalties are also subjective. Or are you going to say that you've never complained or seen someone complain about people who run away? Plus, it's not like you get it for backdashing only two or three times. It encourages you to use backdashes for evasion, rather than running away.

Uh, how is it "subjective". The entire point of negative penalty is that you cannot base your playstyle on running away all the time. This just limits the amount of strategies you have available to use and is part of the forced overdesign.

PS I AM THAT GUY THAT RUNS AWAY ALL THE TIME

To be honest, I have NEVER seen this "particular move" that people always fish for in ASW games. And gimmicks add variety if implemented correctly, if you ask me.

You clearly dont watch enough videos then. IE, Labrys does like 70% damage off one of her supers if you start an-attack-I-don't-know-the-name-of-because-I-haven't-had-the-chance-to-play-her-myself-but-it's-in-most-Labyrs-videos, Liz's command grab (why does this char have a fullscreen command grab) leads into like 60% so everyone spams that, Yu players constantly spam diveslash because it leads to ridiculous damage, etc.

It was the same in fucking CS2, characters like Hazama actually did more damage off anti air 5a (lmao) than their typical bnbs.

Yes, fighters have been dumbed down a lot. Companies want to make them more appealing to newcomers rather than make them technical. They just want to make money.

Which is exactly why I said most of you are going to like it.

[Shadow]

Comeback mechanics aren't all that bad. Unless you're talking about X-Factor. I haven't tried this one yet, so I can't really talk.

Yes they are. They go against the fucking basis of the game, to WIN. You actually get PUNISHED FOR WINNING AND REWARDED FOR LOSING.

THIS IS RETARDED.

YES BUT THIS ISN'T AS EXTREME AS X-FACTOR, YOUR OPPONENT'S CHARACTER DOESN'T START MOVING LIKE THE FUCKING FLASH AND YOURS DOESN'T DIE IN THE MOST BASIC COMBO POSSIBLE.

Teching has NEVER stopped me from keeping a good rushdown in any ASW game.

"Teching" is not the problem, it's the stupid variable tech shit. It's like the recovery rolls in SFxT where you can "keep stuff going" but you have to basically guess on your own bloody okizeme which is retarded.

I'd rather have that than to have OTG moves that doesn't let you do a fucking thing and make you basically sit down and watch your character die or lose 80% of his health.

The burst stock thing is rather subjective here, since you usually build meter for combo breakers quite faster than what the burst meter takes to refill.

Wrong and wrong. Games with actually sensible burst mechanics (like Arcana and Melty Blood) take forever to get the bursts back. Melty you actually need to be at FULL METER and its only available for a short time, and Arcana means you cant use Extend Force for like 30 seconds or something ridiculous.

Hell even BAD games like F/UC or TVC got this one right, because you pay meter to burst. And those games are baaaad.

After playing for 3 hours, the most Bursts I've had in a single match were 4, and that was because the match had 3 LONG rounds. If we had meter Bursts, that would have fucking multiplied.

Negative penalties are also subjective. Or are you going to say that you've never complained or seen someone complain about people who run away? Plus, it's not like you get it for backdashing only two or three times. It encourages you to use backdashes for evasion, rather than running away.

Uh, how is it "subjective". The entire point of negative penalty is that you cannot base your playstyle on running away all the time. This just limits the amount of strategies you have available to use and is part of the forced overdesign.

PS I AM THAT GUY THAT RUNS AWAY ALL THE TIME

The screen isn't infinite, and you have to backdash like 8 fucking times in a row to get a negative penalty.
Unless you're on the opposite side, it's not going to be a problem. Hell, I've got 2 negative penalties. AND THE 2 OR 3 YUCOCKS I PLAYED NEVER GOT IT

STOP EXAGGERATING GOD DAMNIT

AND RUNNING AWAY TOO, FUCK YOU

To be honest, I have NEVER seen this "particular move" that people always fish for in ASW games. And gimmicks add variety if implemented correctly, if you ask me.

You clearly dont watch enough videos then. IE, Labrys does like 70% damage off one of her supers if you start an-attack-I-don't-know-the-name-of-because-I-haven't-had-the-chance-to-play-her-myself-but-it's-in-most-Labyrs-videos, Liz's command grab (why does this char have a fullscreen command grab) leads into like 60% so everyone spams that, Yu players constantly spam diveslash because it leads to ridiculous damage, etc.

It was the same in fucking CS2, characters like Hazama actually did more damage off anti air 5a (lmao) than their typical bnbs.

Yes, I know what you're talking about now. LEARN TO AVOID/GUARD FROM THAT
I FOUGHT A CHIE THAT DID DRAGON KICKS ALL DAY AND EVERY KICK DID 35%~40% OF MY HEALTH
GUESS WHAT I DID

LOSE, BECAUSE I'M AN IDIOT
BUT I WON ONE ROUND

Yes, fighters have been dumbed down a lot. Companies want to make them more appealing to newcomers rather than make them technical. They just want to make money.

Which is exactly why I said most of you are going to like it.

I grew up playing the first and fourth Samurai Shodown games, Garou and Last Blade 2. I haven't played Melty Blood, but I'll probably enjoy it as much as I'm enjoying P4A.
Except for the autocombo, fuck that.

[Irysa]

YES BUT THIS ISN'T AS EXTREME AS X-FACTOR, YOUR OPPONENT'S CHARACTER DOESN'T START MOVING LIKE THE FUCKING FLASH AND YOURS DOESN'T DIE IN THE MOST BASIC COMBO POSSIBLE

So stabbing myself in the hand isnt as bad as stabbing myself in the heart beause I won't die as easily.

Please explain to me why it makes sense that a losing player is rewarded for preforming badly? In a single player situation it can work to make the game easier, but in a Player vs Player scenario this is just counterintuitive to the whole point of competitiveness.

If you don't see the prevelance of comeback mechanics as a problem then you're probably the kind of person who relies on it to win anyway.

I'd rather have that than to have OTG moves that doesn't let you do a fucking thing and make you basically sit down and watch your character die or lose 80% of his health.

I haven't emphasised removing ground teching, it's the stupid variable tech timings all over the place. Admittedly this game isn't as bad as Blazblue in that respect, but I seriously don't know why a hard knockdown can't just be a hard knockdown/why when you get knocked down the game can't just go "yeah you're invincible and can get up in a bit now"

After playing for 3 hours, the most Bursts I've had in a single match were 4, and that was because the match had 3 LONG rounds. If we had meter Bursts, that would have fucking multiplied.

And this is relevant because? I haven't said "p4u should use meter for bursts" I said that the system of designing a seperate burst bar is static and linear. It doesn't actually add anything interesting to the game because theres no reason not to burst, and it's just another situation where someone gets a chance to do a combo, then is denied it at no real cost.

If you want my input then you shouldn't get bursts period because I hate the mechanic in general but that doesnt work in a game where stuff can do such dumb damage and the momentum rides so fast.

The screen isn't infinite, and you have to backdash like 8 fucking times in a row to get a negative penalty.
Unless you're on the opposite side, it's not going to be a problem. Hell, I've got 2 negative penalties. AND THE 2 OR 3 YUCOCKS I PLAYED NEVER GOT IT

STOP EXAGGERATING GOD DAMNIT

AND RUNNING AWAY TOO, FUCK YOU

This isn't an exaggeration. If I don't want to attack you, I shouldn't be forced to. That's what negative penalty is. It's just a part of forced design to make the two players have to come at each other.

Yes, I know what you're talking about now. LEARN TO AVOID/GUARD FROM THAT
I FOUGHT A CHIE THAT DID DRAGON KICKS ALL DAY AND EVERY KICK DID 35%~40% OF MY HEALTH
GUESS WHAT I DID

LOSE, BECAUSE I'M AN IDIOT
BUT I WON ONE ROUND

Well yeah obviously learning to deal with stuff like that is part of any game. I'm simply saying that this game is just another case of silly design with ASW when the damage variance is so obtuse that it actively encourages people to start spamming stupid moves, and said stupid moves become a big part of the game just because of the damage revolving around it.

It's like having to always be aware of shoryu fadc ultra in sf4, you can learn as many ways to get around it as you like, but the fact it exists is detrimental to the quality of the game. It's designed to appeal to people who don't know what they're doing and give them something they can feel good about in doing. Without understanding why it works or any nuances behind it.

Even if you want to argue that as a positive factor considering the strict entry barriers to the genre, my preference in these games is way learned more towards flexability and diversity, so I like being able to come up with stuff myself and play my own way, not be forced into an optimal plan beacuse the developers made everything else obsolete :\

I grew up playing the first and fourth Samurai Shodown games, Garou and Last Blade 2. I haven't played Melty Blood, but I'll probably enjoy it as much as I'm enjoying P4A.
Except for the autocombo, fuck that.

I said most of you. It wasn't really directed specifically, just because I know 90% of people here don't play fighting games/can't play them and play rpgs. That's who this game is directed at, the new players.