YGO! Tournament Options

[Lux]

Could we have one, much like the pokémon tournament?

I'd arrange and set it up and stuff, but I'm not sure if I have any authority to do so.

[Raijinili]

They're horrifically weak and luck based. They're not banned in tournament play for a reason, they're effing useless.

Rather, the ones that don't work well aren't banned. The ones that do work tend to get vital pieces restricted.

Decks like the Heart of the Underdog/Exodia are so freaking stupid and unbalanced.

That's like saying that if you had a card that says, "If you have 40 cards in your hand, you win" is unbalanced.

Well, it is unbalanced, but it's not unfair. It's unbalanced in the sense that it's like a really long see-saw with a really heavy weight on both ends, making it either completely broken or completely useless.

tl;dr there is nothing wrong with FTKs or whatnot because they are absolute garbage unless the person using them lucks out. If you can't take the fact that a game relies on luck instead of purely on skill to play then go play something else.

If it wasn't for the restriction lists, we would still have Last Will Catapult Turtle Magical Scientist decks which could reliably come out on the first turn because of all the damn searchers.

Also, "Go play go".

The is SOME luck base factors in pokémon, such as critical hits and stuff with low accuracy, but it also takes brainpower and knowledge of game mechanics to be able to put together a good team. And pokémon is about statistics, like, I might put in an attack that has 80% accuracy, but not necessarily anything lower.

What is wrong with you that you think you need to be smart to be good at Pokemon? Are you that desperate to find something to feel good about?

"Putting together a good team" typically involves looking up what other people use and then copying out what you like.

And 80% accuracy? That's a 20% chance of failure, and a, what, 6.25% chance on top of that where you get a critical? So it's a 25% chance of damage not being anywhere near the expected value, which you will probably use about three times, thus giving you less than a 50% chance that neither you nor your opponent will be screwed over by chance.

The probability of you getting a HotU is 7.5% when you have 40 cards in your deck, and have 6 chances to get it, each draw increasing the chance you will get it.

That is pure stupidity. "Each draw increases the chance you will get it"? Without the effect cards cluttering your deck, how much draw power do you have that you can use to get a Heart of the Underdog? How many turns do you think you can defend without any trap or magic cards?

You might as well assume that he starts with his whole deck in his hand. You're already assuming that you can't do anything against vanilla monsters while he's trying to reach for that 7.5% chance that he gets once per turn.

As well, if the only non-Normals in the deck are the three Hearts and the Exodia, he would still have to have as many as one to four more turns before he can summon Exodia, and that's assuming you have nothing which can destroy his sole magic card (but what else would you use your M/T destroyers on?) and nothing to attack his hand. How much of a chance does he have to get out Exodia, with no M/T cards, if you dropped one of his pieces to the Graveyard, or even to the field?

There are 4 cards in that deck that will cease your drawing [one of which is on the field], meaning that you will draw an average of 11 cards a turn, giving you numerous options to stonewall.

That's... no. To get that kind of number, you would have to ALWAYS have the bottom card be a non-Normal.

If I'm lucky, that gives me 4 turns to beat you. And less if you get Exodia pieces fast.

Well, if your deck doesn't have enough spell destroyers for you to be able to get one within, what, TEN draws, it's not really his fault, is it?

All I'm saying is that it isn't fair for a deck that wins by lucking out should beat someone who is actually good at the game, even if it's only once by accident.

Then stop playing chance-based games.

Do you realize how incredibly stupid you sound?

Walrus is OBVIOUSLY a better pokémon player than I am, and it wouldn't be fair for me to say I'm better than him because I lucked out and got a crucial critical hit, or whatever [if that happened].

Non sequitur: Does not follow. You're assuming that "A can beat B" implies that "A is better than B". Your whole premise is absolute nonsense.

Sure, I could draw a hand with all tributes and lose, but my deck is made to prevent stuff like that from happening.

But as you admitted yourself, you can't draw a single Magic destruction card with ten draws. Some skill.

If all you do is download a .dek, and rely completely on luck, you really don't deserve to play.

If all you can do against a deck with a "decent chance to win" is to whine about it and prevent people from using it against you, then you really, REALLY don't deserve to play.

[Lux]

[Insert what Rai said here, cut for length.]

You know, you're right.

I shouldn't be whining about what kind of decks other people use and what not, I my argument was pretty weak.

I still don't like HoU, but, I promised Asaph and Sauce I would stop being a tourneyfag, so I'm just going to leave it at that.

But, FTK's SHOULD be banned from the Traditional bracket if we have one, because of the brokenness of the Magical Scientist FTK's, etc.

Anyway, I lost, so Asaph gets to run the tourney. I'm ready for it whenever.

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