YGO! Tournament Options

[Lux]

Could we have one, much like the pokémon tournament?

I'd arrange and set it up and stuff, but I'm not sure if I have any authority to do so.

[Irysa]

The is SOME luck base factors in pokémon, such as critical hits and stuff with low accuracy, but it also takes brainpower and knowledge of game mechanics to be able to put together a good team. And pokémon is about statistics, like, I might put in an attack that has 80% accuracy, but not necessarily anything lower.

What, and it doesn't take understanding of the game to make decks in YGO and to play appropriately? It's the same fucking thing, you rely on your accuracy of things hitting, crits, status ailments connecting, etc.

At least for me, any pokémon teams I make don't heavily rely on anything that was lower than 100% accuracy. The only moves I think I have on my team that rely on chance are Hydro Pump (85%) and Hypnosis (70%+Glasses bonus), and I generally don't use those moves unless I'm in a position in which I can't win any other way.

And not everybody plays this way. Do they ban OHKO moves in pokemon? No, because they miss half the fucking time. Thus making them horrid.

The probability of you getting a HotU is 7.5% when you have 40 cards in your deck, and have 6 chances to get it, each draw increasing the chance you will get it.

The probability of you drawing anything that can destroy, negate, or counter a magic or trap card, or force me to discard, is over 15% if you have any sense in building in a deck, and it gets higher every time you draw.

And what if you get it the first turn? There are 4 cards in that deck that will cease your drawing [one of which is on the field], meaning that you will draw an average of 11 cards a turn, giving you numerous options to stonewall. And, frankly, the attack stats of non-effect monsters can keep someone at bay for a long time.

I have to WAIT A WHOLE TURN to start my drawing. And on top if that, there are plenty of effect monsters with similar or better stats to my normal monster, as well as many other magic or trap cards that can be used to counter it.

If you complain about drawing underdog on my first turn, what about drawing destiny board on my first turn? It'll take roughly the same amount of time to get to the win.

If I'm lucky, that gives me 4 turns to beat you. And less if you get Exodia pieces fast.

More like, if you're not terrible and I am incredibly lucky that gives me 4 turns before I lose.

Destiny Board is far from unbalanced, just as pretty much all theme-decks are. All I'm saying is that it isn't fair for a deck that wins by lucking out should beat someone who is actually good at the game, even if it's only once by accident.

Walrus is OBVIOUSLY a better pokémon player than I am, and it wouldn't be fair for me to say I'm better than him because I lucked out and got a crucial critical hit, or whatever [if that happened].

How is destiny board NOT anymore unbalanced than Exodia underdog? It's just one more turn. (in fact, I have a draw deck that can burn through 35 cards in 1 turn to get to exodia, is THAT unfair too?)


And I find this hilariously ironic because Walrus has only won all of the pokemon tournaments we've had here due to pure LUCK against various people, such as thawing out in critical moments, etc.


Luck is a very large factor in games like this. If you really truly cannot accept it you need to quit or go find someone else to play with. What next, banning Arcana Force decks because of coin flips? Ban fairy box because you can't attack if I keep calling right? Ban Mind Crush because SOMEONE MIGHT GET LUCKY?

But the thing is, is that they CAN luck out, and there is an at least decent chance that they will. No one makes a deck and uses it competitively unless they can win with it. [Or are stupid.]

Apparently wanting to have fun is stupid.

And non-FTK/Exodia/OTK decks DO rely on skill. Putting together a deck that can work in many situations is a reflection of skill. Sure, I could draw a hand with all tributes and lose, but my deck is made to prevent stuff like that from happening.

You read what I said completely wrong. I said the game is based on luck AND skill. You seem to want to completely eliminate the luck factor, which is impossible for a game that is so centric around luck.

If all you do is download a .dek, and rely completely on luck, you really don't deserve to play.

I hate netdeckers too but you have no right to tell someone that they "don't deserve to play" if they want to play a gimmick deck for fun. Honestly, has nobody ever heard of having fun?

I spent HOURS on my deck [when I used to play, the one I have now is just a copy of what I had] and TONS of money, and being bested by a luck-based, overpowered deck really sucks. I played in a few tourneys, and it happened a few times. And frankly, I'm still a bit butthurt about it.

Then don't take it out on us for god's sake. As I have said again and again, the game has lots and lots of elements of luck in it. Even mindgames and bluffing come down to luck.

I'm just saying that for a tourney, OTK's should be banned, purely for the sanity of others.

And I'm saying no, that is never going to happen, we're never going to ban anything that isn't on the banlist, never, ever, ever.


If you can't deal with that, don't take part.

This post has been edited by Irysa: Dec 4 2008, 04:57 AM