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post Dec 10 2007, 11:56 AM
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In my opinion, democracy is a crappy kind of regime. Too many people in the parliament have to agree to something before anything happens, the people are prone to voting stupid governments and few things actually happen and everything takes ages. Also it supports freedom, which is stupid. If humans have freedom, they make something stupid. Or capitalism. (Though I do support freedom of speech.)

However having only one person with the whole control is bad too - as soon as one wields absolute power, they'll go crazy and do stupid things (because they're free to do so. SEE?).
Maybe the best kind of government would be an altered kind of monarchy - where the monarch does wield most powers, but a parliament has some veto right to stop him from going bat**** insane.

Communism as an alternative wouldn't be good either - if you look at what Marx' wrote when he invented it, the conditions are completely outdated and out of existence today, and his goal of a state without a set government where the people rule is utterly stupid.
The kind of communism Stalin did (state owns everything) had its advantages though. Too bad Stalin also was crazy. :(

Can there even be a really good kind of government?

In any case, capitalism is bad and must be fought imo. Though that's a different topic.
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post Dec 29 2007, 12:05 AM
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What is the best form of government? I don't really know. People say they have a better idea but most of them probably won't work. Nations rise and fall really fast. They also change their governmental systems for one reason or another from time to time for various reasons. The reason the system of government changes is b/c it has some irreconcilable flaw which is rectified by the new system. However, the new system has its own flaws. These are realized in time and the system of government changes again. It's a vicious cycle... The cycles however, are quite long, probably more than 200 years long.

Someone once said that democracy is a terrible system of government but it is still the best one ever tried.

The best tested form of government is democracy+capitalism. These types of systems have higher median incomes on average than any other system. It could be that dictatorship+capitalism is the best form of government. This is what China has. Economic experts say China is catching up to the USA in terms of GNP (Gross National Product, a measure of the goods one nation produces in a year).

The trouble with dictatorships is crazy dictators and succession of power. Dictatorships last a long time because people usually like the dictator. They end when the dictator dies and the successor he picked fails as a leader. There are no safeguards to ensure the dictator will act in the people's self interest. For example, Hitler's goal of world conquest was in the best interest of the Germans, however, he didn't realize that such an attempt was doomed to fail. In the end, Germany was much worse off after having attempted world conquest than if they had never attempted it.

It's important to note though, that even groups of people can make foolish decisions. This is b/c of "Group Think," a flaw in human reasoning that makes us likely to believe whatever other members of our group believe. You need look only as far as the Iraq war decision for an example.
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P.P.A.   ITT politics   Dec 10 2007, 11:56 AM
Ashtimus Prime   Why is freedom stupid? Why is Capitalism bad? The...   Dec 10 2007, 01:28 PM
Lord Rasler   Well said. We need these "stupid" forms ...   Dec 10 2007, 03:28 PM
P.P.A.   Yes. Because then society could be manipulated a ...   Dec 10 2007, 04:31 PM
Lord Rasler   I agree with you on that. Our Economy would be fuc...   Dec 10 2007, 04:41 PM
P.P.A.   Well, by taking away freedom I rather meant that t...   Dec 10 2007, 05:10 PM
Ashtimus Prime   You're a fool. A government that takes away it...   Dec 10 2007, 05:36 PM
P.P.A.   You're a fool. A government that takes away i...   Dec 10 2007, 06:50 PM
Lord Rasler   Agreed. There is always going to be winners and lo...   Dec 10 2007, 05:47 PM
Irysa   Britain tried that, and it flopped.   Dec 10 2007, 10:34 PM
Raij|Away   there is nothing wrong with Capitalismlol.   Dec 11 2007, 10:14 AM
Ashtimus Prime   You're just a wuss.   Dec 11 2007, 03:56 PM
Raij|Away   You do realize that the US tried capitalism and th...   Dec 12 2007, 12:39 PM
Lord Rasler   You do realize that the US tried capitalism and t...   Dec 13 2007, 12:13 AM
Raijinili   Just because someone agrees with you doesn't m...   Dec 23 2007, 02:24 AM
Lord Rasler   Just because someone agrees with you doesn't ...   Dec 23 2007, 02:57 AM
Raijinili   My elitism-fu is better than your elitism-fu   Dec 23 2007, 05:50 AM
P.P.A.   SINCE WHEN IS RAIJ A NEW MEMBER HE'S ONE OF T...   Dec 23 2007, 11:12 AM
sandpenguin   Well, it's true that every type of government ...   Dec 23 2007, 08:46 PM
Raijinili   Who says a fool cares not for his people?   Dec 24 2007, 02:53 AM
sandpenguin   Because SOMETIMES, a fool just cares about his own...   Dec 24 2007, 09:03 AM
Raijinili   So now Africans are stupid?   Dec 25 2007, 03:42 AM
Lord Rasler   I don't think thats what Sand meant.   Dec 25 2007, 04:07 AM
Raijinili   I don't think you have the right to be an elit...   Dec 25 2007, 04:54 AM
Lord Rasler   I don't think you have the right to be an eli...   Dec 25 2007, 05:10 AM
sandpenguin   I don't mean that Rai. See, South Africa, they...   Dec 26 2007, 01:42 AM
Raijinili   So you're saying you need many years of White ...   Dec 26 2007, 04:47 AM
sandpenguin   I didn't mean that! It's true that the...   Dec 26 2007, 11:04 AM
P.P.A.   Oh, Africa is a country now? I always thought it ...   Dec 26 2007, 02:32 PM
sandpenguin   Ahahaha.... sometimes I can get very lazy at editi...   Dec 26 2007, 04:51 PM
Irysa   Spartan rule. 2 leaders with complete power, both ...   Dec 28 2007, 09:36 AM
Roukan   Spartan rule. 2 leaders with complete power, both...   Dec 28 2007, 09:39 PM
sandpenguin   Okay guys, this is one of the few last posts befor...   Dec 28 2007, 06:13 PM
Yuka   Dictatorships last a long time because people usu...   Dec 29 2007, 12:25 AM
sandpenguin   AND THAT'S WHY MILITARY GENERALS CANNOT ENTER ...   Dec 29 2007, 01:50 PM
Megaolix   One of my class talked about politics on topic. I ...   Jan 5 2008, 11:42 PM
jcdietz03   Ever heard the phrase "Majority rules"? ...   Jan 10 2008, 04:06 AM
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