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post Dec 10 2007, 11:56 AM
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In my opinion, democracy is a crappy kind of regime. Too many people in the parliament have to agree to something before anything happens, the people are prone to voting stupid governments and few things actually happen and everything takes ages. Also it supports freedom, which is stupid. If humans have freedom, they make something stupid. Or capitalism. (Though I do support freedom of speech.)

However having only one person with the whole control is bad too - as soon as one wields absolute power, they'll go crazy and do stupid things (because they're free to do so. SEE?).
Maybe the best kind of government would be an altered kind of monarchy - where the monarch does wield most powers, but a parliament has some veto right to stop him from going bat**** insane.

Communism as an alternative wouldn't be good either - if you look at what Marx' wrote when he invented it, the conditions are completely outdated and out of existence today, and his goal of a state without a set government where the people rule is utterly stupid.
The kind of communism Stalin did (state owns everything) had its advantages though. Too bad Stalin also was crazy. :(

Can there even be a really good kind of government?

In any case, capitalism is bad and must be fought imo. Though that's a different topic.
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post Dec 23 2007, 08:46 PM
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Well, it's true that every type of government have their advantages/disadvantages....humans are very crappy at doing this because they will never kept standing on one type, it will always change. If one gets what he/she wants, the other one will keep bugging the winner until someday well, the winner fell.

a)Yeah, P.P.A have a point on democracy....

1.Would you want a fool of a village elect a new chief? Surely not, right? Because the fool really don't know or care about the tribe future.... One small step that we do now will GREATLY change the future, like a satellite signal, even if you missed the receptor just one inch from the satellite, it will multiplies and become a BIG problem in the space.

2.Sometimes, we really don't know what the leader have for us.....he/she maybe will say something nice, before the election but after the election? Bah, not even a thing that they do what they promised to us for, they just sitting there, digging their nose for gold.

But something funny about this.....whenever the re-election comes round the curve, the leader become active again! Marvelous! Unbelievable! Heck!

b)The communism also have it's shits and golds....

1.No freedom of speech, EVEN IF YOU SAY 'Oi, you have a big moustache, can't you change it?' to the leader will get your head flying without wings in the air.

2.Fucking paranoia. If you stay paranoid, you will usually have a lot of enemies. Why? No trust.....sometimes we must take a risk into entering a joint venture, friend.....

3.State property, without it, capitalism arise.....with it, nothing good or bad happens. All guys equal, but at the cost of slower development, but I'm a bit skeptical about this because take a look at Cuba, they're communist but they have BEST literate rate and health care, but still the other two above scares me off from this typr of government.

c)Ah capitalism, the other side of the weighter, rival of communist and fascism.....

1.Without the government controlling the properties, many private company will rise like mushroom and the owner will, be more rich compared to the humble president. This big, mega company would be the main tax giver to the government, but at what cost?

Although capitalism/democracy abhors slavery, but they have a 'new' makeup called exploitation. What's this thingy? Well, in order to get more wealth, you need to have a capital like workforce, resources, and so more but this costs the company some fortune, so to lessen the burden, they must go to other developing country and exploit their economy for themselves.

How can this developing countries can develop into more sophisticated civilization when their citizens gonna have work 12 hours in a stuffy factory without any safety regulation for 5 bucks a month? Or work 3 hours in the deepest sector of mine for 5 cents an hour? Gosh, I better eat some grass and drink my own saliva for it.

Oh yeah, global warming.....ahh, a big pool around my house! Recently in Bali there was a conference. Developing countries were urged to stop their heavily contaminated factories for the sake of Earth itself, I know I love the earth itself but if they do this they will lose their lifesource! Even at one time I will live in a m ore greener earth but I don't have anything to barter trade for a bread!

Why also the capitalist refuse to follow this earth-lovers? Well, they owned the factories in the developing countries! (Most of them, in fact) Everytime I opened the box of electrical appliances I will see this, MADE IN CHINA, THAILAND, INDONESIA and others.....shoot, if I continue this again I will eat a whole page. The simple thing was it was CHAIN-REACTION, THE DOMINO'S EFFECT, THE STRING EFFECT.

2.The winners always win, the losers always lose without any chance to change their life...poor for those in the area.....although we have freedom and all that stuffs, it will always lead us into something bad. The only way was to give up something to gain something, as gaining everything will make us EXPLOIT MORE AND MORE, and if can, the juice of the person can be handy.....

Well, let's face it, do you want to be a capitalist or communist, one masked in democracy and another in laws were everything respectively....it's too polarization....is there anything in the middle?

Answer is: Dunno, each men have their own opinion.....

d)Constitutional monarchy....like Britain, Japan, Thailand and Malaysia.....Britain flopped but regain back it's balance. If not, it will become like Nepal.....The Magna Carta failed, but it makes a new version of government...a hybrid one called (refer above)

At first, kings might be good....but will it stand like that, forever? It might if the king drink the potion of eternity....As an example Yggdra, (Yeah, who else?) She was INDEED just and cares for her citizens but will her offspring (OMG, Yggdra had sex?) does just the same thing? Absolutely not! Every kings/queens have their own agenda to work on and that's why, referring to the other three, they are ABSOLUTELY no way to have the best kind of government.....

Conclusion: But, humans must have somebody that will lead them, to organize them. It was the leader itself that will shape the country, whether to it's greatness or to it's grave, no matter the type of government that they implement into. Also, we cannot force other countries to join our government type (You there, democracy, you there, communist...etc) as they use the government type that were the BEST for them, as each civilization have their own mould (Aggressive, intolerance, open minded, paranoia, etc).
They choose what best for them (Democracy for stable countries, communism to calm down rebels, hard skulls, shitties (If Sri Lanka changed into communist, I'm sure Tamil Ilam will scurrying away...) and so on....


Sorry for the long post, but I speak what stored in my mind....and sorry for everything that will touch your feelings, as governments were INDEED a hot debate or sensitive to others. I admit that I watched a lot of news from T.V and I care for the foggy world fate now.....Good or bad depends on us, humans.

Chow for now, see ya again....


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P.P.A.   ITT politics   Dec 10 2007, 11:56 AM
Ashtimus Prime   Why is freedom stupid? Why is Capitalism bad? The...   Dec 10 2007, 01:28 PM
Lord Rasler   Well said. We need these "stupid" forms ...   Dec 10 2007, 03:28 PM
P.P.A.   Yes. Because then society could be manipulated a ...   Dec 10 2007, 04:31 PM
Lord Rasler   I agree with you on that. Our Economy would be fuc...   Dec 10 2007, 04:41 PM
P.P.A.   Well, by taking away freedom I rather meant that t...   Dec 10 2007, 05:10 PM
Ashtimus Prime   You're a fool. A government that takes away it...   Dec 10 2007, 05:36 PM
P.P.A.   You're a fool. A government that takes away i...   Dec 10 2007, 06:50 PM
Lord Rasler   Agreed. There is always going to be winners and lo...   Dec 10 2007, 05:47 PM
Irysa   Britain tried that, and it flopped.   Dec 10 2007, 10:34 PM
Raij|Away   there is nothing wrong with Capitalismlol.   Dec 11 2007, 10:14 AM
Ashtimus Prime   You're just a wuss.   Dec 11 2007, 03:56 PM
Raij|Away   You do realize that the US tried capitalism and th...   Dec 12 2007, 12:39 PM
Lord Rasler   You do realize that the US tried capitalism and t...   Dec 13 2007, 12:13 AM
Raijinili   Just because someone agrees with you doesn't m...   Dec 23 2007, 02:24 AM
Lord Rasler   Just because someone agrees with you doesn't ...   Dec 23 2007, 02:57 AM
Raijinili   My elitism-fu is better than your elitism-fu   Dec 23 2007, 05:50 AM
P.P.A.   SINCE WHEN IS RAIJ A NEW MEMBER HE'S ONE OF T...   Dec 23 2007, 11:12 AM
Raijinili   Who says a fool cares not for his people?   Dec 24 2007, 02:53 AM
sandpenguin   Because SOMETIMES, a fool just cares about his own...   Dec 24 2007, 09:03 AM
Raijinili   So now Africans are stupid?   Dec 25 2007, 03:42 AM
Lord Rasler   I don't think thats what Sand meant.   Dec 25 2007, 04:07 AM
Raijinili   I don't think you have the right to be an elit...   Dec 25 2007, 04:54 AM
Lord Rasler   I don't think you have the right to be an eli...   Dec 25 2007, 05:10 AM
sandpenguin   I don't mean that Rai. See, South Africa, they...   Dec 26 2007, 01:42 AM
Raijinili   So you're saying you need many years of White ...   Dec 26 2007, 04:47 AM
sandpenguin   I didn't mean that! It's true that the...   Dec 26 2007, 11:04 AM
P.P.A.   Oh, Africa is a country now? I always thought it ...   Dec 26 2007, 02:32 PM
sandpenguin   Ahahaha.... sometimes I can get very lazy at editi...   Dec 26 2007, 04:51 PM
Irysa   Spartan rule. 2 leaders with complete power, both ...   Dec 28 2007, 09:36 AM
Roukan   Spartan rule. 2 leaders with complete power, both...   Dec 28 2007, 09:39 PM
sandpenguin   Okay guys, this is one of the few last posts befor...   Dec 28 2007, 06:13 PM
jcdietz03   Welcome to the forum! What is the best form o...   Dec 29 2007, 12:05 AM
Yuka   Dictatorships last a long time because people usu...   Dec 29 2007, 12:25 AM
sandpenguin   AND THAT'S WHY MILITARY GENERALS CANNOT ENTER ...   Dec 29 2007, 01:50 PM
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jcdietz03   Ever heard the phrase "Majority rules"? ...   Jan 10 2008, 04:06 AM
sandpenguin   Well, that's one flaw of Democracy. There...   Jan 10 2008, 04:30 AM
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