 Advice on defeating Aegina's valk squad in Framm?, How best to do things the hard way |
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| Greyhawk |
 Mar 15 2007, 04:24 PM
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Can anyone offer advice on the best way to handle Aegina's group of [High]'d valks that appear on BF15-3? Aside from avoiding them, that is. I'm trying to get as many items as possible and I really want that Golden Wheat thats behind them (not to mention the sword Aegina is carrying).
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| Raijinili |
Mar 25 2007, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE(Sturm) I made no challenge, I interjected. An interjection that went directly against her advice. Is that not a challenge?QUOTE(Sturm) So he's just as at fault as me for not explaining the conditions from the start. When Suzu esplained her conditions, you rejected them. At that point, the discussion should've been about which conditions should've applied. You challenged her conditions, she didn't challenge yours. The burden was then on you to show why your conditions should've applied.QUOTE(Sturm) Fanelia Beam is far better than Disaresta against the Dark Aghart. I already understood that. I never said that you claimed that Rosary was better under her conditions.Is that statement wrong? No. Does that mean you should waste your 1x Fanelia on the Dark Aghart? No. If someone asks what is the best weapon against the Dark Aghart, one - without taking long term consequences into account - should respond "Fanelia." Would one? No. Because the final battle is a far better place to throw away your Fanelia. Now in application: Did I ever claim that the Warp Shoes should be used for the Golden Wheat? No. Did I claim they were better than another method of obtaining it - disregarding future consequences? Yes. Do you understand now? But your example doesn't work. I would not respond with no regard to long-term consequences, because I don't want someone coming back yelling about missing an opportunity because of bad advice. The cost of using Durant in the battle will most likely be not as high as losing the Dragon Killer. I would in fact respond with an answer for both cases. Also, the analogy doesn't work. No one asked for the best, they just asked for a way. She provided a way, so she wasn't wrong. QUOTE(Sturm) Because Suzu doesn't know how to argue. And what's your excuse?QUOTE(Sturm) Assumptions are bad for you. This whole argument is about what assumptions to use.~~~  |
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Greyhawk Advice on defeating Aegina's valk squad in Framm? Mar 15 2007, 04:24 PM
Feral Phoenix First, get Durant down to the first marked square ... Mar 15 2007, 07:47 PM Dr Sturm Durant is a terrible idea because Durant is terrib... Mar 15 2007, 08:53 PM Another Necromancer How exactly does the ice spear make Revolution les... Mar 16 2007, 05:25 AM Dr Sturm Because Nietzsche can do a more interesting Fatal... Mar 16 2007, 05:30 AM Feral Phoenix Durant isn't horrible. He's just a pretty ... Mar 16 2007, 12:19 PM Dr Sturm Okay, I'll consent that when you get the Stra... Mar 16 2007, 02:19 PM Feral Phoenix If you say so. I guess it just depends on how much... Mar 16 2007, 02:22 PM Fujibayashi Suzu I'd not recommend on using Yggdra unless she... Mar 16 2007, 08:05 PM Dr Sturm Roswell and Rosary are far better at getting the W... Mar 16 2007, 08:07 PM Fujibayashi Suzu Not if you got Rosary and want to get the Dragon K... Mar 16 2007, 08:10 PM Dr Sturm How does a better purpose on a different battlefie... Mar 16 2007, 08:16 PM Fujibayashi Suzu Because Rosary has 'walk' as her movement ... Mar 16 2007, 08:18 PM Dr Sturm Warp Shoes, obviously you wouldn't make her w... Mar 16 2007, 08:40 PM Fujibayashi Suzu *facepalm*
Would you think the Golden Wheat is mor... Mar 16 2007, 08:44 PM Dr Sturm Maybe. But that has nothing to do with if Warping... Mar 16 2007, 08:57 PM Fujibayashi Suzu Like I said, if you really, REALLY just desperatly... Mar 16 2007, 09:17 PM Dr Sturm This has nothing to do with the Dragon Killer, sto... Mar 16 2007, 09:24 PM Fujibayashi Suzu I just felt like it was worth mentioning the downs... Mar 16 2007, 09:26 PM Dr Sturm You do realize that almost everyone that would hav... Mar 16 2007, 09:30 PM Sauce XIV I didn't even know you could get the Warp Shoe... Mar 17 2007, 01:09 AM Dr Sturm BF15 has three parts; you don't even have to e... Mar 17 2007, 01:12 AM Shake I finished that battlefield yesterday with the sam... Mar 20 2007, 09:24 AM Feral Phoenix Good for you! :D Mar 20 2007, 05:14 PM Fujibayashi Suzu Too bad a strategy like that doesn't work. The... Mar 21 2007, 04:32 AM Shake true, but the problem is that the valkeries won... Mar 21 2007, 10:17 AM Dr Sturm Valkyries are weak to Staves in YU's weapons t... Mar 21 2007, 01:18 PM Shake sorry sturm, you are wrong on the first one. Start... Mar 21 2007, 02:34 PM Rhiannon Sturm was right. Staff users are strong against sw... Mar 21 2007, 02:59 PM Raijinili The confusion lies in the fact that while Staff ge... Mar 21 2007, 03:52 PM Dr Sturm
Prove it. Mar 21 2007, 03:54 PM Raijinili Finally stopped deleting my posts?
Assumptions: Y... Mar 21 2007, 04:05 PM Dr Sturm We're not talking about long term. Who is imme... Mar 21 2007, 04:08 PM Raijinili No, YOU'RE not talking about long term. SUZU w... Mar 21 2007, 04:10 PM Dr Sturm No I wasn't. Would I consent that most people... Mar 21 2007, 04:16 PM Raijinili Under the following conditions, disprove that Dura... Mar 21 2007, 05:09 PM Dr Sturm Now you're just ignoring everything. Mar 21 2007, 05:11 PM Raijinili You asked me to prove that Suzu was right. I did i... Mar 21 2007, 05:18 PM Dr Sturm No, you said those were HIS assumptions, making h... Mar 21 2007, 05:32 PM Raijinili
You: "Roswell and Rosary are far better at g... Mar 21 2007, 05:51 PM Dr Sturm Why do you bother quoting if you're not even r... Mar 21 2007, 06:01 PM Feral Phoenix I don't think there's much point to this d... Mar 22 2007, 03:12 PM Dr Sturm There might be a point to that if I WERE wrong in ... Mar 22 2007, 03:45 PM Raijinili And yet, she was first to post about the best pers... Mar 25 2007, 06:13 PM Dr Sturm I made no challenge, I interjected.
So he's ... Mar 25 2007, 06:31 PM Dr Sturm No.
Logic has no place in real life, Rai.
I jus... Mar 25 2007, 07:07 PM Raijinili That's irrelevant. The cost is still most like... Mar 28 2007, 01:08 AM Dr Sturm That doesn't matter.
Really? Because Durant... Mar 28 2007, 01:14 AM Raijinili You made an analogy between someone asking "t... Mar 28 2007, 02:16 AM Dr Sturm Not only did I not, I said I haven't several ... Mar 28 2007, 02:30 AM Raijinili If that's your only reason for the MVP bonus, ... Mar 30 2007, 05:49 PM Dr Sturm And did you read the part after that? About it be... Mar 30 2007, 05:57 PM Raijinili Then what are we arguing about?
So Suzu is at faul... Mar 30 2007, 06:40 PM Dr Sturm Then why is my analogy bad? Mar 30 2007, 06:47 PM Raijinili Because the circumstances aren't the same? Mar 30 2007, 07:19 PM
Megaolix With some luck, I managed to defeat them. I'll... Apr 5 2007, 04:34 PM |
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