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Greyhawk
post Mar 15 2007, 04:24 PM
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Can anyone offer advice on the best way to handle Aegina's group of [High]'d valks that appear on BF15-3? Aside from avoiding them, that is. I'm trying to get as many items as possible and I really want that Golden Wheat thats behind them (not to mention the sword Aegina is carrying).
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Dr Strum
post Mar 25 2007, 06:31 PM
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You challenged it,
I made no challenge, I interjected.
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She was using a long-term condition before you were not.
So he's just as at fault as me for not explaining the conditions from the start.
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Justify how the long-term is irrelevant, then. Because you certainly haven't shown why ignoring the long-term makes for better advice.
Fanelia Beam is far better than Disaresta against the Dark Aghart.
Is that statement wrong? No.
Does that mean you should waste your 1x Fanelia on the Dark Aghart? No.
If someone asks what is the best weapon against the Dark Aghart, one - without taking long term consequences into account - should respond "Fanelia." Would one? No. Because the final battle is a far better place to throw away your Fanelia.
Now in application: Did I ever claim that the Warp Shoes should be used for the Golden Wheat? No. Did I claim they were better than another method of obtaining it - disregarding future consequences? Yes. Do you understand now?
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Why, then, were you two arguing about whether Durant was the best rather than whether the long-term was irrelevant?
Because Suzu doesn't know how to argue.
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So I assumed you thought there was somewhere where she argued that.
Assumptions are bad for you.


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Greyhawk   Advice on defeating Aegina's valk squad in Framm?   Mar 15 2007, 04:24 PM
Feral Phoenix   First, get Durant down to the first marked square ...   Mar 15 2007, 07:47 PM
Dr Sturm   Durant is a terrible idea because Durant is terrib...   Mar 15 2007, 08:53 PM
Another Necromancer   How exactly does the ice spear make Revolution les...   Mar 16 2007, 05:25 AM
Dr Sturm   Because Nietzsche can do a more interesting Fatal...   Mar 16 2007, 05:30 AM
Feral Phoenix   Durant isn't horrible. He's just a pretty ...   Mar 16 2007, 12:19 PM
Dr Sturm   Okay, I'll consent that when you get the Stra...   Mar 16 2007, 02:19 PM
Feral Phoenix   If you say so. I guess it just depends on how much...   Mar 16 2007, 02:22 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   I'd not recommend on using Yggdra unless she...   Mar 16 2007, 08:05 PM
Dr Sturm   Roswell and Rosary are far better at getting the W...   Mar 16 2007, 08:07 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   Not if you got Rosary and want to get the Dragon K...   Mar 16 2007, 08:10 PM
Dr Sturm   How does a better purpose on a different battlefie...   Mar 16 2007, 08:16 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   Because Rosary has 'walk' as her movement ...   Mar 16 2007, 08:18 PM
Dr Sturm   Warp Shoes, obviously you wouldn't make her w...   Mar 16 2007, 08:40 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   *facepalm* Would you think the Golden Wheat is mor...   Mar 16 2007, 08:44 PM
Dr Sturm   Maybe. But that has nothing to do with if Warping...   Mar 16 2007, 08:57 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   Like I said, if you really, REALLY just desperatly...   Mar 16 2007, 09:17 PM
Dr Sturm   This has nothing to do with the Dragon Killer, sto...   Mar 16 2007, 09:24 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   I just felt like it was worth mentioning the downs...   Mar 16 2007, 09:26 PM
Dr Sturm   You do realize that almost everyone that would hav...   Mar 16 2007, 09:30 PM
Sauce XIV   I didn't even know you could get the Warp Shoe...   Mar 17 2007, 01:09 AM
Dr Sturm   BF15 has three parts; you don't even have to e...   Mar 17 2007, 01:12 AM
Shake   I finished that battlefield yesterday with the sam...   Mar 20 2007, 09:24 AM
Feral Phoenix   Good for you! :D   Mar 20 2007, 05:14 PM
Fujibayashi Suzu   Too bad a strategy like that doesn't work. The...   Mar 21 2007, 04:32 AM
Shake   true, but the problem is that the valkeries won...   Mar 21 2007, 10:17 AM
Dr Sturm   Valkyries are weak to Staves in YU's weapons t...   Mar 21 2007, 01:18 PM
Shake   sorry sturm, you are wrong on the first one. Start...   Mar 21 2007, 02:34 PM
Rhiannon   Sturm was right. Staff users are strong against sw...   Mar 21 2007, 02:59 PM
Raijinili   The confusion lies in the fact that while Staff ge...   Mar 21 2007, 03:52 PM
Dr Sturm   Prove it.   Mar 21 2007, 03:54 PM
Raijinili   Finally stopped deleting my posts? Assumptions: Y...   Mar 21 2007, 04:05 PM
Dr Sturm   We're not talking about long term. Who is imme...   Mar 21 2007, 04:08 PM
Raijinili   No, YOU'RE not talking about long term. SUZU w...   Mar 21 2007, 04:10 PM
Dr Sturm   No I wasn't. Would I consent that most people...   Mar 21 2007, 04:16 PM
Raijinili   Under the following conditions, disprove that Dura...   Mar 21 2007, 05:09 PM
Dr Sturm   Now you're just ignoring everything.   Mar 21 2007, 05:11 PM
Raijinili   You asked me to prove that Suzu was right. I did i...   Mar 21 2007, 05:18 PM
Dr Sturm   No, you said those were HIS assumptions, making h...   Mar 21 2007, 05:32 PM
Raijinili   You: "Roswell and Rosary are far better at g...   Mar 21 2007, 05:51 PM
Dr Sturm   Why do you bother quoting if you're not even r...   Mar 21 2007, 06:01 PM
Feral Phoenix   I don't think there's much point to this d...   Mar 22 2007, 03:12 PM
Dr Sturm   There might be a point to that if I WERE wrong in ...   Mar 22 2007, 03:45 PM
Raijinili   And yet, she was first to post about the best pers...   Mar 25 2007, 06:13 PM
Raijinili   When Suzu esplained her conditions, you rejected t...   Mar 25 2007, 06:58 PM
Dr Sturm   No. Logic has no place in real life, Rai. I jus...   Mar 25 2007, 07:07 PM
Raijinili   That's irrelevant. The cost is still most like...   Mar 28 2007, 01:08 AM
Dr Sturm   That doesn't matter. Really? Because Durant...   Mar 28 2007, 01:14 AM
Raijinili   You made an analogy between someone asking "t...   Mar 28 2007, 02:16 AM
Dr Sturm   Not only did I not, I said I haven't several ...   Mar 28 2007, 02:30 AM
Raijinili   If that's your only reason for the MVP bonus, ...   Mar 30 2007, 05:49 PM
Dr Sturm   And did you read the part after that? About it be...   Mar 30 2007, 05:57 PM
Raijinili   Then what are we arguing about? So Suzu is at faul...   Mar 30 2007, 06:40 PM
Dr Sturm   Then why is my analogy bad?   Mar 30 2007, 06:47 PM
Raijinili   Because the circumstances aren't the same?   Mar 30 2007, 07:19 PM
Megaolix   With some luck, I managed to defeat them. I'll...   Apr 5 2007, 04:34 PM


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