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Rhiannon
post Aug 17 2006, 01:53 AM
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Is the Aghart an Accursed or not? I thought Ledah saying "The Accursed" was just some mistake or something. But the first RiviPSP wallpaper groups the Aghart with the rest of the Accursed up in the top-right corner, and it also has a form as a Dark Progenitor...

But that would be weird. It just seems wrong for it to have been an Accursed. Especially since THEY DIDN'T KNOW the Aghart had already been killed. But they still went on without even mentioning another one. So, what does everyone else think?


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post Nov 1 2006, 07:30 AM
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Personally I believe Aghart is a member of the accursed, and I'll try to back this up as well as I can.

The fact Aghart was called the "Holy Beast" doesn't mean much, unless you try to claim the equally sacred Lindwyrm and Archangel were not Accursed. Also if I recall, the japanese refers to the Accursed as "Angels". Throughout mythology, "divine" and "good" are not synonymous. Within Zoroastronism, both the spirit of pure goodness, Ahura Mazdah, and the spirit of pure evil, Angra Mainyu, are equally powerful and divine.

The Accursed were defeated at one time, but will continue to revive because of the existence of their spirits, the "Dark Progenitors". These souls are formed out of the fears of others (The consuming flame of Aghart, the merciless blade of Isher, the destructive hunger of LindWyrm, the pitiless judgement of Archangel, and the inevitable fate of Death). Through this, they give power to demons, the servants of Hades, who is the enemy of the gods. The gods whom people honor in order to protect them from their fears.

Ursula knew that Hector was planning on totally screwing up Riviera and merging with Seth, which obviously is just about the worst possibility for Riviera, the realm she protects. So lets say crazed axe murderers were hacking their way through your establishment, and you had a cage with an equally crazed dog that happened to have a personal vendetta against anyone with an axe. Don't you think that maybe, just MAYBE you'd sic the thing on them? It's a perfectly reasonable response, and sensible for Ursula to have done it.

Aghart is simply a divine monster set in opposition to Asgard. It probably didn't like Ursula in particular, but it DID notice the two Grim Angels, and WOW would it hate them. I mean, 1,000 years ago they killed it. The "backstory" on Aghart is essentially that of Ragnarok itself.
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Rhiannon   The Great Mystery of the Aghart!!   Aug 17 2006, 01:53 AM
Dr Sturm   Aghart is not an Accursed.   Aug 17 2006, 01:55 AM
Rhiannon   You suck at talking. Never post here again.   Aug 17 2006, 01:55 AM
Raijinili   Aghart is considered an Accursed on the Bestiary. ...   Aug 17 2006, 03:02 AM
Dr Sturm   Considering you recorded the Bestiary, that's ...   Aug 17 2006, 03:12 AM
Rhiannon   Ledah: The Accursed.   Aug 17 2006, 03:22 AM
Dr Sturm   Ledah died. Shows how much he knows.   Aug 17 2006, 03:23 AM
Carnivorous Sheep   ...You're going to die eventually, shows how m...   Aug 17 2006, 03:43 AM
Shadow   Ein treats Ledah as a demon if you finish him with...   Aug 17 2006, 04:11 PM
Rhiannon   But Shadow, that's what Ein says when he finis...   Aug 17 2006, 07:37 PM
P.P.A.   Rhia your avatar is sooooooooooo cute! <3 ...   Aug 17 2006, 07:46 PM
Dr Sturm   That proves that Serene is an Accursed!   Aug 17 2006, 07:52 PM
Chaos Seraph   If it WAS an Accursed, if Aghart beat the Grim A...   Aug 17 2006, 08:09 PM
Rhiannon   And Ursula told the Aghart "My enemy is also ...   Aug 17 2006, 08:15 PM
Dr Sturm   Allies can share enemies too.   Aug 17 2006, 08:36 PM
Chaos Seraph   Allies don't summon each other with forced spe...   Aug 17 2006, 08:47 PM
Dr Sturm   [Disregarding the magical bits] Since when?   Aug 17 2006, 08:51 PM
Seans   I don't recall Ursula forcing Aghart to attack...   Aug 17 2006, 08:52 PM
Shadow   I think that Aghart's not. But maybe Ledah and...   Aug 17 2006, 09:33 PM
Rhiannon   Then explain why the Aghart is grouped with the Ac...   Aug 18 2006, 12:06 AM
Dr Sturm   All the time?   Aug 18 2006, 12:21 AM
Rhiannon   Yes, all the time. Name a time where it wasn't...   Aug 18 2006, 12:23 AM
Dr Sturm   Name a time, besides the wallpaper, where it was.   Aug 18 2006, 12:37 AM
Rhiannon   Battle data. Dark Progenitors.   Aug 18 2006, 12:39 AM
Dr Sturm   Well, in the battle data he's not grouped with...   Aug 18 2006, 12:47 AM
Rhiannon   The Dark Progenitors still count. You know why? Be...   Aug 18 2006, 12:53 AM
Dr Sturm   Because he's a boss without any back story, j...   Aug 18 2006, 01:34 AM
Rhiannon   The brats have no backstory.   Aug 18 2006, 01:41 AM
Dr Sturm   They're stalking you for nearly the entirety o...   Aug 18 2006, 01:42 AM
Rhiannon   They still have no backstory. Backstory.   Aug 18 2006, 02:15 AM
Dr Sturm   They don't want to die. That's backstory....   Aug 18 2006, 02:37 AM
Rhiannon   Lindwurm was in Nelde Ruins for a long time. ogmgo...   Aug 18 2006, 03:08 AM
Dr Sturm   Um, how?   Aug 18 2006, 03:26 AM
Rhiannon   I was calling you stupid. But it's the same am...   Aug 18 2006, 03:28 AM
Dr Sturm   No, the brats don't want to die and think you...   Aug 18 2006, 03:41 AM
Rhiannon   The Lindwurm roars. The Lindwurm probably laid the...   Aug 18 2006, 03:48 AM
Dr Sturm   No, I've accepted that Lina is older than Fia....   Aug 18 2006, 04:20 AM
paperweight   i dont think that aghart is an accursed. ursula us...   Aug 18 2006, 07:45 AM
Chaos Seraph   Ein summoned an Accursed at Lacrima with Asgardian...   Aug 18 2006, 06:24 PM
Dr Sturm   First, it's not "Asgardian," it...   Aug 18 2006, 06:39 PM
paperweight   when ein met isher he pulled the common "obli...   Aug 18 2006, 11:26 PM
Dr Sturm   No one said anything about the Gods being good... ...   Aug 19 2006, 01:21 AM
Rhiannon   Lindwurm can talk.   Aug 19 2006, 01:39 AM
Dr Sturm   "AWOOOOO" really doesn't count as ta...   Aug 19 2006, 01:42 AM
Rhiannon   But he did say more! I can prove it! *goes...   Aug 19 2006, 01:44 AM
paperweight   For some reason I think gods=good since devils=ba...   Aug 19 2006, 04:42 AM
Dr Sturm   Um, no. The Accursed have the ability to summon de...   Aug 19 2006, 04:52 AM
paperweight   ok well it sounded good in my head   Aug 19 2006, 05:01 AM
Dr Sturm   Warong. Hector didn't decide to awaken Seth u...   Nov 1 2006, 02:22 PM
Ebe   Warong. Hector didn't decide to awaken Seth u...   Nov 2 2006, 01:48 PM
Sauce XIV   And why on Earth would she give Aghart that sp...   Nov 3 2006, 01:57 AM
Raijinili   Actuating the retribution is awakening Seth. Pay a...   Nov 1 2006, 04:12 PM
Dr Sturm   Taken from your script dumps.   Nov 1 2006, 04:21 PM
Rhiannon   I'm pretty sure you misreasd it. He was saying...   Nov 3 2006, 09:50 AM
Dr Sturm   Your point?   Nov 3 2006, 05:16 PM
Rhiannon   I bet everyone is always talking to you, even if t...   Nov 3 2006, 08:21 PM
Dr Sturm   You're assuming that Demons don't know the...   Nov 3 2006, 08:26 PM
Rhiannon   No I'm... not? What are you talking about and ...   Nov 3 2006, 08:29 PM
Dr Sturm   RE: The Great Mystery of the Aghart!!   Nov 3 2006, 09:17 PM
Rhiannon   The difference here is that I didn't post righ...   Nov 3 2006, 11:01 PM
Sauce XIV   And why would demons know the sacred language anyw...   Nov 4 2006, 04:24 AM
Dr Sturm   How do you know there's no interaction aside f...   Nov 4 2006, 04:36 AM
Sauce XIV   Let me see. Angels and Demons don't exactly ge...   Nov 4 2006, 04:48 AM
Dr Sturm   Maybe not now, but what about the past? Oh wait. ...   Nov 4 2006, 04:58 AM
Sauce XIV   Maybe not [b]now, but what about the past? Oh wa...   Nov 4 2006, 05:04 AM
Ebe   Well once again, if I recall correctly in the Japa...   Nov 4 2006, 06:09 AM
Dr Sturm   Forgive my saucy ignorance, but I don't exactl...   Nov 4 2006, 06:11 AM
Ebe   Well, I can't be sure about Arcs, but Sprit...   Nov 4 2006, 06:29 AM
Dr Sturm   ... Sprites, Undine and Cefiro are NOT the same th...   Nov 4 2006, 06:47 AM
Ebe   Wait, whats that Lassie? These SPRITES, the CEF...   Nov 4 2006, 06:56 AM
Dr Sturm   Okay. If you wish to go that way. ALL MAMMALS ARE ...   Nov 4 2006, 07:16 AM
Ebe   But if we go that way, then you have to recognize ...   Nov 4 2006, 07:29 AM
Dr Sturm   We don't?   Nov 4 2006, 07:30 AM
Ebe   My main point is that "Sprite" and ...   Nov 4 2006, 07:47 AM
Raijinili   Sprites INCLUDE Arcs, Cefiro, and Undines.   Nov 5 2006, 02:25 AM
Chaos Seraph   Why is it that someone always simplifies an entire...   Nov 7 2006, 04:19 PM
Dr Sturm   Where was that done?   Nov 7 2006, 04:19 PM


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