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Yuka
post Aug 5 2006, 12:58 AM
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I'm not too fond of using Durant for some bizarre reason, but does he become essential later in the game?


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post Sep 23 2006, 02:40 AM
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Because you want the enemy to have as high stats as possible, right?

Unless there's an item which is not equippable, does not heal morale and gives stats which I don't know about.

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There is no guarantee he will get the MVP. Kobun can get the MVP, and starting in BF02 you have another character in every battlefield alongside, or instead of, Milanor.

Easily done in BF01, just don't use Kobun at all. I've managed to get Yggdra a few MVPs during the early battlefields, but it was tedious as Milanor would've ripped them apart.

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We're discussing a situation where the item is unusable. It does not heal, and it is not equippable.

I don't know of any items which do this, unless you're talking about the ones at the end of the game. Even then, Milanor can easily get full stats and just steal.

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How is it not valid? Since when were we talking about only permanent units? I thought we were talking about units with the same weapon types.

Well, permanent units can gain experience and level up, Kylier does not. Therefore a comparison of using Kylier and Milanor is not valid because I was talking about same weapon type units which can level up. The prime example being Durant and Nietzsche.

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I didn't pick up the item either, but, anyways. Remember, that even with the army quantity, it doesn't make a huge difference when you're still a bigger type of unit.

Ah, so that's what you meant. Because of the unit size however, it makes critical hits that much more damaging.

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And I'm trying to dispell the idea.

Okay then.

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I thought Milanor got all the MVPs. :X

Yes, until he got max stats. Then I made my hunter get the MVPs as gettinv MVPs for Milanor would be a waste.

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MKT, I'm showing how the Hunter's and Assassin's are NOT overpowered. For every huge advantage they have, they have an equally disadvantageous trait.

And these disadvantageous traits can be overcome quite easily which is why they're overpowered. Their ability to unable to counter can be easily overcome with using cards. Such example is the advantage during Day / Night which makes their attack power skyrocket. Now, some cards work great with their advantage. For example, Sanctuary with daytime for Hunters. Hell, Ace Guard would render the initiative attack useless. Bloody Claw would make the battle a lot easier as well because it'll get rid of the head unit. That means no more card skills from them and even if you lose, that's 40% of the card's damage saved as morale.

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Which anyone can have.

I meant the ability where Yggdra can have an Ace with any card allowing all other units to use card skills such as Gravity Chaos and the like.

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Or to cause them to get raped solo, no Yggdra helping out.

Except they won't get raped if they're decently levelled which would be the case if I wasn't using "all units possible" including the optional characters.

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*splooging all over the Thunderbolt card*

Lol :( Well, I like my Thunderbolt card damnit, just like you and your Kiss of Death card!...But not as much as you. ;o

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Well, the item that will allow them to get Overkill only lasts a few maps. And I think there's only one, as opposed to the other elements.

You only need the item for a few maps anyway, namely BF47 since Gulcasa has some sort of elemental immunity later on, damn bastard. Otherwise, Hunters / Assassins can manage quite well.

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Although, you do bring up an interesting point, after getting your own Fencer, there's only one story Fencer, and very few generics. But, wait. After you BF07, there's only two enemy Undines (the only enemies resistant to Ice).

Yes, but I do not know of any items which increase the effectiveness of Blizzard allowing Fatal / Overkill damages but I'm sure there is. *points at Yukira's youtube video* However, Blizzard also freezes water and that is bad because that means -20% terrain bonus for Nietzsche. ;-;

And since there's very few generic fencers, that'd make having two spear units decently levelled pointless because spears > swords. However, there's plenty of valkyries later on I know that much but Milanor can take them out with Gravity Chaos. Weakness to darkness ftw.


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Sauce XIV   A Question about Durant   Aug 5 2006, 12:58 AM
Dr Sturm   Potentially. He can class change.   Aug 5 2006, 01:43 AM
Rhiannon   He's not really needed. But sometimes you...   Aug 5 2006, 03:53 AM
Anonoymous BBS   He's a Good unit in my experience. I could ta...   Sep 21 2006, 02:48 PM
ChefMKT   Use all units possible? Are you insane?! If yo...   Sep 22 2006, 04:00 AM
Dr Sturm   It's really not that hard to use most units, M...   Sep 22 2006, 04:05 AM
ChefMKT   I never said that it was hard using most units, I ...   Sep 22 2006, 04:40 AM
Dr Sturm   First, fight people you're weak against. That...   Sep 22 2006, 04:54 AM
ChefMKT   1) Really? I didn't know that! D: 2) Fair...   Sep 22 2006, 05:23 AM
Dr Sturm   How could you not...? You fought, and beat, Gulca...   Sep 22 2006, 05:55 AM
ChefMKT   I didn't know it quadrupled against units you...   Sep 22 2006, 06:37 AM
Dr Sturm   This is assuming two enemy parties each with the m...   Sep 22 2006, 06:47 AM
Anonoymous BBS   It isn't that bad to use all your units, even ...   Sep 22 2006, 02:11 PM
ChefMKT   Yes, but this game involves a lot of luck (Damn cr...   Sep 22 2006, 10:55 PM
Anonoymous BBS   The enemy always finds a way to screw the player o...   Sep 22 2006, 11:09 PM
Dr Sturm   How? Yggdra may be a sword unit, but only Fencers ...   Sep 22 2006, 11:15 PM
Dr Sturm   And it's not Ressurection, it's Reincarnat...   Sep 22 2006, 11:15 PM
ChefMKT   Item Break is useless though because you could alw...   Sep 22 2006, 11:23 PM
Dr Sturm   Except it's not useless. Just because you can ...   Sep 22 2006, 11:46 PM
ChefMKT   Then I wouldn't bother stealing that item, or...   Sep 23 2006, 01:51 AM
Dr Sturm   Because you want the enemy to have as high stats ...   Sep 23 2006, 02:13 AM
Dr Sturm   I'm all but certain there is, but I thought w...   Sep 23 2006, 03:21 AM
ChefMKT   I wasn't arguing mostly in theory. >.> ...   Sep 23 2006, 03:56 AM
Sauce XIV   I wasn't even aware my topic spawned such an i...   Sep 23 2006, 03:58 AM
Dr Sturm   No it's not.Mayhap for you.Yet you move the Hu...   Sep 23 2006, 04:35 AM
ChefMKT   Yes it is. I'm pretty sure Rhia had Milanor...   Sep 23 2006, 04:56 AM
Dr Sturm   Prove it. Rhea r a jrek So the enemy can move nex...   Sep 23 2006, 05:14 AM
ChefMKT   Item Break: Breaks the item the unit is holding i...   Sep 23 2006, 05:50 AM
Dr Sturm   As I said, what about the items that are useless?...   Sep 23 2006, 06:42 AM
ChefMKT   If the items are useless, then at least steal it ...   Sep 23 2006, 07:37 AM
Dr Sturm   Of course that's what I mean. Useless for you,...   Sep 23 2006, 08:28 AM
ChefMKT   Bad example. Her A.Shield prevents the effects of...   Sep 23 2006, 09:51 AM
Dr Sturm   Yes, bad example, but you're wrong. At least, ...   Sep 23 2006, 05:22 PM
Rhiannon   YOU'RE MORE WRONG THAN CHEF IS BECAUSE CHEF ...   Sep 23 2006, 06:51 PM
Dr Sturm   No, I mean about the A.Shield blocking skills. A.S...   Sep 23 2006, 08:13 PM
Rhiannon   Nobody cares about the technicalities. It's a ...   Sep 23 2006, 09:50 PM
Dr Sturm   It doesn't matter if it's a bad example, i...   Sep 23 2006, 09:54 PM
ChefMKT   I thought we were comparing Item Break's use,...   Sep 23 2006, 11:11 PM
Dr Sturm   You conveniently ignored my most recent message ab...   Sep 23 2006, 11:39 PM
ChefMKT   Yes, it was an example where an item is useful to...   Sep 24 2006, 12:14 AM
Dr Sturm   I never said Item Break is better than Steal... O...   Sep 24 2006, 12:28 AM
ChefMKT   Okay then, you said Item Break is not useless but...   Sep 24 2006, 01:04 AM
Dr Sturm   It is. When Steal cannot be used. But I thought ...   Sep 24 2006, 01:23 AM
Raijinili   If you can't provide an in-game example where ...   Sep 24 2006, 01:45 AM
ChefMKT   So destroying a useful item is better than pickin...   Sep 24 2006, 01:48 AM
Dr Sturm   Situations when Steal cannot be used but Item Brea...   Sep 24 2006, 01:48 AM
Dr Sturm   Do you have the LUK to pick it up? Circumstances....   Sep 24 2006, 02:06 AM
ChefMKT   There's always items which give guranteed ite...   Sep 24 2006, 03:03 AM
Dr Sturm   Which you probably have to steal or have LUK to ...   Sep 24 2006, 03:34 AM
ChefMKT   You can find the 4-leaf clover on the ground. I...   Sep 24 2006, 04:05 AM
Dr Sturm   Isn't it random if you get it?BLOOD CLAW GENOC...   Sep 24 2006, 04:47 AM
ChefMKT   Yes, but it's still an example of an item whi...   Sep 24 2006, 05:21 AM
Dr Sturm   And you said I made a bad example.Except the Hunt...   Sep 24 2006, 05:57 AM
ChefMKT   My example is valid because it's an item whic...   Sep 24 2006, 06:28 AM
Dr Sturm   It's not valid, because it's random if you...   Sep 24 2006, 06:42 AM
ChefMKT   How is it not valid? The item can be obtained wit...   Sep 24 2006, 07:09 AM
Dr Sturm   Well, I don't find it fun, so I'll answer ...   Sep 24 2006, 07:55 AM


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