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lilcases
post May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
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That is very intersting, but confusing. But it is something to think about.


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post Jun 13 2006, 09:29 AM
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If God doesn't exist, however, I still believe in God, which makes me feel like God is affecting me.

You're not being affected by God, then. You're being affected by an idea.

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Just because I affect someone else, it doesn't mean God is affecting them through me

If God affects you, you're likely to act differently. If your actions are affected, and the layer between yourself and someone else is your actions, your actions are likely to affect someone else. If your actions are likely to affect someone else, anything that affects your actions can indirectly affect that someone else.

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especially if God doesn't even exist. God still matters to me, because I belive that he does.

You're screwing around with the definitions again. "Matters" only refers to the difference between the existence and hypothetical non-existence of something. Actual non-existence doesn't have a place here.

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I understand, but I was referring to Rai and what he said about God affecting someone through those that are affected by God.

Except that the spirit, when it affects the box, doesn't make a change that would affect how the box interacts with the outside. Because that would break the rule of, "You'll never know whether there was a spirit in the box."

On the other hand, if something affects you, it would affect how you affect other things.

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Others that don't believe that He exists don't believe that God can affect anything.

Others aren't using the same meaning of "affect" that I am.

Their affect: God does something to/for them.
My affect: The existence of God makes their life different than if He didn't exist.

It's the difference between direct effect and indirect effect. My use of the word "meaning" includes both. That should've been obvious by now. You're arguing against an argument I never made.


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lil'cases   Split From Logic Puzzle   May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
Swiyth   we don't matter cosmically. we don't reall...   May 30 2006, 05:38 AM
Raijinili   You missed my point completely. Good job.   May 30 2006, 06:34 AM
lightningdude   You are looking at things from a logical scientifi...   May 30 2006, 06:53 AM
Raijinili   Basically, you're trying to look smart while h...   May 31 2006, 01:29 AM
Shadow   I admit that things like this are confusing... But...   May 31 2006, 02:50 AM
Raijinili   Try proving that, and we'll talk. Go make yo...   May 31 2006, 03:04 AM
Shadow   I never said "god" in my post. I may bel...   May 31 2006, 03:13 AM
whoyodaddy   i think i lost a few brain cells trying to figure ...   May 31 2006, 03:32 AM
Swiyth   Rai has successfully confused you all. oh well. i...   May 31 2006, 06:18 AM
lightningdude   I do understand what you are saying. As I said, th...   May 31 2006, 08:17 AM
lightningdude   Oh, and if you can trash my thoughts and decide th...   May 31 2006, 08:34 AM
S. S. Wilkins   I think pure logic proved him right... Debating i...   May 31 2006, 10:38 AM
Raijinili   I wasn't talking about "us". I was...   May 31 2006, 02:56 PM
Shadow   I'm just using "us" as an example,...   May 31 2006, 04:08 PM
Swiyth   sadly, i'm not known for my intelligence. hmm....   May 31 2006, 04:47 PM
Shadow   That's exactly what I think. But the idea o...   May 31 2006, 05:33 PM
Raijinili   I'm just using "us" as an example, ...   Jun 1 2006, 12:17 AM
Shadow   I may believe that somebody created us. But not...   Jun 1 2006, 02:25 AM
Raijinili   Because I didn't know what you were exactly re...   Jun 1 2006, 03:14 AM
lightningdude   The Definition of Purpose: What something is use...   Jun 1 2006, 08:16 AM
Raijinili   I challenge this statement. Potential is not the...   Jun 1 2006, 09:05 AM
Shadow   To be honest I never tried to prove you wrong. I...   Jun 1 2006, 04:38 PM
Dr Sturm   Then you posted against the purpose of the topic.   Jun 1 2006, 04:39 PM
Shadow   nor you.   Jun 1 2006, 04:42 PM
Dr Sturm   No, because, while I did not do what he asked, wha...   Jun 1 2006, 04:49 PM
Shadow   Still, what you posted is against the prupose of t...   Jun 1 2006, 05:05 PM
Raijinili   He clarified my first post, so it would be easier ...   Jun 1 2006, 05:09 PM
Dr Sturm   The title and the purpose of the topic are not alw...   Jun 1 2006, 05:10 PM
lightningdude   Oh, now you're making up definitions. ...   Jun 1 2006, 05:16 PM
Shadow   The fact of someone creating a topic with a titl...   Jun 1 2006, 05:27 PM
Raijinili   So you're saying that all non-concious things...   Jun 1 2006, 06:09 PM
Raijinili   No, you're less intelligent because you can...   Jun 1 2006, 06:15 PM
Shadow   Stop answering my posts then. Ignore them and I ...   Jun 1 2006, 07:54 PM
Raijinili   Good job. I'm glad you figured that out. Un...   Jun 1 2006, 09:41 PM
Shadow   You called me jerk, idiot, stupid and ignorant. Wo...   Jun 1 2006, 10:13 PM
Chaos Seraph   I actually don't think you're going to fin...   Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
Raijinili   Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. ...   Jun 2 2006, 03:55 AM
lightningdude   No, that's actually what he told me. May I ...   Jun 2 2006, 07:32 AM
Raijinili   I didn't say it as an assumption. I gave a P...   Jun 3 2006, 01:11 AM
lightningdude   Let me expand on my question. If something exists,...   Jun 3 2006, 06:52 AM
Dr Sturm   There's no limit on space. The Universe contin...   Jun 3 2006, 03:20 PM
lightningdude   How has that been tested? Anyway, just because the...   Jun 3 2006, 04:49 PM
Raijinili   Let me expand on my question. If something exists,...   Jun 4 2006, 02:40 AM
lightningdude   First of all, if the bubbles of existence thing is...   Jun 4 2006, 06:31 AM
Raijinili   Actually, I'm not doing any such thing. I wa...   Jun 5 2006, 03:01 PM
lightningdude   This is kinda like a question: As one who believe...   Jun 6 2006, 07:06 AM
Leyviur   This entire argument has no purpose. Ha HA!   Jun 6 2006, 03:01 PM
Swiyth   funny you should pop by. do you have any tips? ex...   Jun 6 2006, 07:16 PM
Raijinili   You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Al...   Jun 6 2006, 11:56 PM
Chaos Seraph   And why are spoken statements any better?Wrong wo...   Jun 7 2006, 01:25 AM
Swiyth   Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. ...   Jun 7 2006, 04:14 AM
Raijinili   But proofs are just statements that this person...   Jun 7 2006, 06:22 AM
lightningdude   You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Al...   Jun 7 2006, 07:52 AM
Dr Sturm   You are way fucking off heere. I don't know h...   Jun 7 2006, 08:47 AM
lightningdude   I understand, but I was referring to Rai and what ...   Jun 7 2006, 09:01 AM


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