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| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | The Definition of Purpose: What something is used for. |
Oh, now you're making up definitions. "Purpose", in the philosophical sense, is the reason for one's existence, which includes any possible usages.
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | Everything has a purpose because everything can be used for something. |
I challenge this statement. Potential is not the same as actual effect. "It can affect something" is a hypothetical. "It has, does, or will affect something" is significantly different.
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | It doesn't matter if it can be used now or later. If it is eliminated now, while it isn't affecting anything, it may have been used to affect something later on. |
Challenge: How can something be eliminated without being affected by something else?
Also: Again, you're talking about potential. Potential has nothing to do with purpose (in the philosophical sense).
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | That, in turn, is an affect on what it might have affected later on because it won't be affected in that way. |
You're basically saying that it will affect something else. How can the sum of all affect something else if there isn't anything else left to affect? Either you don't understand what I said, or you're intentionally misinterpreting to try to trick me into thinking that you're actually proving me wrong. If the second case, it won't work.
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | I don't care if you think I am trying to sound smart, think about it before you jump to that conclusion. |
You ARE trying to look smart, whether or not you are self-aware enough to realize it.
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | In terms of the existence of all not having a purpose, the reason why you have different arguments is because of this:
I, believing in God, believe that all of creation was made to glorify God. It may seem lame to you, but I don't think so. |
Except that the phrase "sum of all" includes your God. I said this before. What is so hard to get about "the sum of all"?
This has nothing to do with whether God's creation has a purpose.
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | People who don't believe in God don't think that the sum of all creation has a purpose because there is no God to be glorified. Therefore, we are all just here. |
So you're concerned with judging whether or not I believe in God, rather than with solving the problem?
This is not a piece of philosophy hidden behind a logic puzzle. This is a logic puzzle with a mask of philosophical thought. Look at it first as a logical puzzle, and stop trying to judge me.
| QUOTE (lightningdude) | | To look at the sum of all, you must look at the sum of the parts because if you didn't have the parts, you wouldn't have a sum, there would be nothing. |
Your logic is flawed. I can look at a car without looking at the engine. I can use it in an analogy without talking about its spark plug.
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