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lilcases
post May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
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That is very intersting, but confusing. But it is something to think about.


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post Jun 1 2006, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE (lightningdude)
The Definition of Purpose: What something is used for.

Oh, now you're making up definitions. "Purpose", in the philosophical sense, is the reason for one's existence, which includes any possible usages.

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Everything has a purpose because everything can be used for something.

I challenge this statement. Potential is not the same as actual effect. "It can affect something" is a hypothetical. "It has, does, or will affect something" is significantly different.

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It doesn't matter if it can be used now or later. If it is eliminated now, while it isn't affecting anything, it may have been used to affect something later on.

Challenge: How can something be eliminated without being affected by something else?

Also: Again, you're talking about potential. Potential has nothing to do with purpose (in the philosophical sense).

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That, in turn, is an affect on what it might have affected later on because it won't be affected in that way.

You're basically saying that it will affect something else. How can the sum of all affect something else if there isn't anything else left to affect? Either you don't understand what I said, or you're intentionally misinterpreting to try to trick me into thinking that you're actually proving me wrong. If the second case, it won't work.

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I don't care if you think I am trying to sound smart, think about it before you jump to that conclusion.

You ARE trying to look smart, whether or not you are self-aware enough to realize it.

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In terms of the existence of all not having a purpose, the reason why you have different arguments is because of this:

I, believing in God, believe that all of creation was made to glorify God. It may seem lame to you, but I don't think so.

Except that the phrase "sum of all" includes your God. I said this before. What is so hard to get about "the sum of all"?

This has nothing to do with whether God's creation has a purpose.

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People who don't believe in God don't think that the sum of all creation has a purpose because there is no God to be glorified. Therefore, we are all just here.

So you're concerned with judging whether or not I believe in God, rather than with solving the problem?

This is not a piece of philosophy hidden behind a logic puzzle. This is a logic puzzle with a mask of philosophical thought. Look at it first as a logical puzzle, and stop trying to judge me.

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To look at the sum of all, you must look at the sum of the parts because if you didn't have the parts, you wouldn't have a sum, there would be nothing.

Your logic is flawed. I can look at a car without looking at the engine. I can use it in an analogy without talking about its spark plug.


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lil'cases   Split From Logic Puzzle   May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
Swiyth   we don't matter cosmically. we don't reall...   May 30 2006, 05:38 AM
Raijinili   You missed my point completely. Good job.   May 30 2006, 06:34 AM
lightningdude   You are looking at things from a logical scientifi...   May 30 2006, 06:53 AM
Raijinili   Basically, you're trying to look smart while h...   May 31 2006, 01:29 AM
Shadow   I admit that things like this are confusing... But...   May 31 2006, 02:50 AM
Raijinili   Try proving that, and we'll talk. Go make yo...   May 31 2006, 03:04 AM
Shadow   I never said "god" in my post. I may bel...   May 31 2006, 03:13 AM
whoyodaddy   i think i lost a few brain cells trying to figure ...   May 31 2006, 03:32 AM
Swiyth   Rai has successfully confused you all. oh well. i...   May 31 2006, 06:18 AM
lightningdude   I do understand what you are saying. As I said, th...   May 31 2006, 08:17 AM
lightningdude   Oh, and if you can trash my thoughts and decide th...   May 31 2006, 08:34 AM
S. S. Wilkins   I think pure logic proved him right... Debating i...   May 31 2006, 10:38 AM
Raijinili   I wasn't talking about "us". I was...   May 31 2006, 02:56 PM
Shadow   I'm just using "us" as an example,...   May 31 2006, 04:08 PM
Swiyth   sadly, i'm not known for my intelligence. hmm....   May 31 2006, 04:47 PM
Shadow   That's exactly what I think. But the idea o...   May 31 2006, 05:33 PM
Raijinili   I'm just using "us" as an example, ...   Jun 1 2006, 12:17 AM
Shadow   I may believe that somebody created us. But not...   Jun 1 2006, 02:25 AM
Raijinili   Because I didn't know what you were exactly re...   Jun 1 2006, 03:14 AM
lightningdude   The Definition of Purpose: What something is use...   Jun 1 2006, 08:16 AM
Shadow   To be honest I never tried to prove you wrong. I...   Jun 1 2006, 04:38 PM
Dr Sturm   Then you posted against the purpose of the topic.   Jun 1 2006, 04:39 PM
Shadow   nor you.   Jun 1 2006, 04:42 PM
Dr Sturm   No, because, while I did not do what he asked, wha...   Jun 1 2006, 04:49 PM
Shadow   Still, what you posted is against the prupose of t...   Jun 1 2006, 05:05 PM
Raijinili   He clarified my first post, so it would be easier ...   Jun 1 2006, 05:09 PM
Dr Sturm   The title and the purpose of the topic are not alw...   Jun 1 2006, 05:10 PM
lightningdude   Oh, now you're making up definitions. ...   Jun 1 2006, 05:16 PM
Shadow   The fact of someone creating a topic with a titl...   Jun 1 2006, 05:27 PM
Raijinili   So you're saying that all non-concious things...   Jun 1 2006, 06:09 PM
Raijinili   No, you're less intelligent because you can...   Jun 1 2006, 06:15 PM
Shadow   Stop answering my posts then. Ignore them and I ...   Jun 1 2006, 07:54 PM
Raijinili   Good job. I'm glad you figured that out. Un...   Jun 1 2006, 09:41 PM
Shadow   You called me jerk, idiot, stupid and ignorant. Wo...   Jun 1 2006, 10:13 PM
Chaos Seraph   I actually don't think you're going to fin...   Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
Raijinili   Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. ...   Jun 2 2006, 03:55 AM
lightningdude   No, that's actually what he told me. May I ...   Jun 2 2006, 07:32 AM
Raijinili   I didn't say it as an assumption. I gave a P...   Jun 3 2006, 01:11 AM
lightningdude   Let me expand on my question. If something exists,...   Jun 3 2006, 06:52 AM
Dr Sturm   There's no limit on space. The Universe contin...   Jun 3 2006, 03:20 PM
lightningdude   How has that been tested? Anyway, just because the...   Jun 3 2006, 04:49 PM
Raijinili   Let me expand on my question. If something exists,...   Jun 4 2006, 02:40 AM
lightningdude   First of all, if the bubbles of existence thing is...   Jun 4 2006, 06:31 AM
Raijinili   Actually, I'm not doing any such thing. I wa...   Jun 5 2006, 03:01 PM
lightningdude   This is kinda like a question: As one who believe...   Jun 6 2006, 07:06 AM
Leyviur   This entire argument has no purpose. Ha HA!   Jun 6 2006, 03:01 PM
Swiyth   funny you should pop by. do you have any tips? ex...   Jun 6 2006, 07:16 PM
Raijinili   You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Al...   Jun 6 2006, 11:56 PM
Chaos Seraph   And why are spoken statements any better?Wrong wo...   Jun 7 2006, 01:25 AM
Swiyth   Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. ...   Jun 7 2006, 04:14 AM
Raijinili   But proofs are just statements that this person...   Jun 7 2006, 06:22 AM
lightningdude   You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Al...   Jun 7 2006, 07:52 AM
Dr Sturm   You are way fucking off heere. I don't know h...   Jun 7 2006, 08:47 AM
lightningdude   I understand, but I was referring to Rai and what ...   Jun 7 2006, 09:01 AM
Raijinili   If God affects you, you're likely to act diff...   Jun 13 2006, 09:29 AM


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