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lilcases
post May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
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That is very intersting, but confusing. But it is something to think about.


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post May 31 2006, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (Shadow)
I never said "god" in my post.

No, but you did repeatedly use the term "create", which implies a concious being.

QUOTE (Shadow)
I may believe that somebody created us. But not the Earth.

I wasn't talking about "us". I was talking about the sum of all.

QUOTE (Shadow)
It's said that the entire universe was created from nothing.
What's the prupose of it's creation?

Again, the word "created". Nature does not create a river. Humans create a canal. If you do not assume a creator, then why are you talking about things being created?

QUOTE (Shadow)
If you think about it well, it doesn't need any prupose. I don't think that it was something that had to happen. But it just happened.

First of all, you're using the "it's common sense" argument, which PHAILS. Second, you're not proving me wrong.

QUOTE (Shadow)
EDIT: And about the "Go make your own topic": What I've said has something to do with this too. It might not be the everyrhing you're talking about, but at the very least everything is everything.

Except the topic is to prove my 14-year-old self wrong. And if you can't tie that back to the topic, then you are posting off-topic, which means that it has nothing to do with the topic.

QUOTE (Swiyth)
besides, what he said is just philosophy. it's a freaking point of view, god damned it all. i could say we're all created for nothing, but we wouldn't know that now, would we? go freaking ask god.

You could say whatever you want. I said something and proved it. There's a difference.

QUOTE (Swiyth)
it really doesn't matter what he says. it only matters if you believe him or not and what you think. or don't.

Again, the point of this topic is not to convince anyone one way or another. It's a mental challenge.

QUOTE (Swiyth)
"there is no spoon. there is no fork either. and in the end, there's also no plate. so go fuck yourself."

The lack of will to learn, to challenge, to see beyond what you can see. This is why you'll never amount to anything but a laborer, Swiyth.

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I do understand what you are saying. As I said, there are many different perspectives on the theory that you stated.

No one has ever bothered to challenge me on this, and no one else that I know of has ever examined this question. So where are there different perspectives? You're just saying that so you can look smart and knowledgable, without having to argue with me.

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I simply said that it is a never-ending debate that has been going on for much longer than you or I have been alive.

Name one person who questioned the purpose of everything. And be sure to back it up.

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There are many ways that man tries to prove our purpose for existence on this mortal plane. Then, you have others who merely try to prove that we have no purpose for existence.

And this is completely off topic. Why are you bringing it up? The ONLY thing I said about proving man's lack of purpose was that it MIGHT be done.

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They each come up with their own theories that counteract eachothers', never really reaching a solid answer that can't be shut down by new theories.

They also find flaws in the proofs of their colleagues. What's your point?

If you're saying that someone's proved this wrong before, then lucky you. You can post this disproof and win.

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Besides, to look at the sum of all, you must look at the parts that make up the sum. If one part affects another part of the sum, then so on, they are all affected by eachother. Which you could conclude that the sum affects its parts, and the parts affect the sum, due to the fact that if there were no parts, there would be no sum, or if there were fewer parts, the sum would be smaller.

Why must I look at the parts to look at the sum? You said it, now back it up.

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That doesn't mean that the sum affects itself. Say you have a bushel of apples. If an apple falls out, you still have the bushel of apples. When the apple fell out, however, it decreased the weight of the bushel. Therefore, something that occured from within the whole affected the whole.

Of course something within the whole can affect the whole. I said that it had to affect something outside of itself to matter, and the apple was affecting the other apples and the basket. This isn't proving me wrong.

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Besides, what is included in the sum of all? Are natural phenomenons such as wind included? Wind isn't alive, but it affects living things.

Yes, if you consider those things to exist.

QUOTE (lightningdude)
Oh, and if you can trash my thoughts and decide that we can't prove you wrong

The whole point of this topic was an exercise in logic. I would be happy if you proved me wrong, because that would mean you learned something.

QUOTE (lightningdude)
Can you prove yourself correct? Just because we can't prove you wrong, it doesn't mean that you are right.

Innocent until proven guilty: Just because you can't prove he didn't do it, doesn't mean you can prove he did it.

In your quest to show that you're intelligent, you have shown that you're an idiot.

What did I do in my topic post? First, I stated the conclusion. Next, I GAVE THE PROOF. Then I asked people to prove it wrong.

Congratulations. You have outsmarted yourself by not paying attention and trying too hard to boost your ego.

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I think pure logic proved him right...

Try harder.

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You can't attack a proof head-on. You have to look for the flaws in the argument, and collapse the argument from within.

This post has been edited by Raijinili: May 31 2006, 02:58 PM


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lil'cases   Split From Logic Puzzle   May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
Swiyth   we don't matter cosmically. we don't reall...   May 30 2006, 05:38 AM
Raijinili   You missed my point completely. Good job.   May 30 2006, 06:34 AM
lightningdude   You are looking at things from a logical scientifi...   May 30 2006, 06:53 AM
Raijinili   Basically, you're trying to look smart while h...   May 31 2006, 01:29 AM
Shadow   I admit that things like this are confusing... But...   May 31 2006, 02:50 AM
Raijinili   Try proving that, and we'll talk. Go make yo...   May 31 2006, 03:04 AM
Shadow   I never said "god" in my post. I may bel...   May 31 2006, 03:13 AM
whoyodaddy   i think i lost a few brain cells trying to figure ...   May 31 2006, 03:32 AM
Swiyth   Rai has successfully confused you all. oh well. i...   May 31 2006, 06:18 AM
lightningdude   I do understand what you are saying. As I said, th...   May 31 2006, 08:17 AM
lightningdude   Oh, and if you can trash my thoughts and decide th...   May 31 2006, 08:34 AM
S. S. Wilkins   I think pure logic proved him right... Debating i...   May 31 2006, 10:38 AM
Shadow   I'm just using "us" as an example,...   May 31 2006, 04:08 PM
Swiyth   sadly, i'm not known for my intelligence. hmm....   May 31 2006, 04:47 PM
Shadow   That's exactly what I think. But the idea o...   May 31 2006, 05:33 PM
Raijinili   I'm just using "us" as an example, ...   Jun 1 2006, 12:17 AM
Shadow   I may believe that somebody created us. But not...   Jun 1 2006, 02:25 AM
Raijinili   Because I didn't know what you were exactly re...   Jun 1 2006, 03:14 AM
lightningdude   The Definition of Purpose: What something is use...   Jun 1 2006, 08:16 AM
Raijinili   I challenge this statement. Potential is not the...   Jun 1 2006, 09:05 AM
Shadow   To be honest I never tried to prove you wrong. I...   Jun 1 2006, 04:38 PM
Dr Sturm   Then you posted against the purpose of the topic.   Jun 1 2006, 04:39 PM
Shadow   nor you.   Jun 1 2006, 04:42 PM
Dr Sturm   No, because, while I did not do what he asked, wha...   Jun 1 2006, 04:49 PM
Shadow   Still, what you posted is against the prupose of t...   Jun 1 2006, 05:05 PM
Raijinili   He clarified my first post, so it would be easier ...   Jun 1 2006, 05:09 PM
Dr Sturm   The title and the purpose of the topic are not alw...   Jun 1 2006, 05:10 PM
lightningdude   Oh, now you're making up definitions. ...   Jun 1 2006, 05:16 PM
Shadow   The fact of someone creating a topic with a titl...   Jun 1 2006, 05:27 PM
Raijinili   So you're saying that all non-concious things...   Jun 1 2006, 06:09 PM
Raijinili   No, you're less intelligent because you can...   Jun 1 2006, 06:15 PM
Shadow   Stop answering my posts then. Ignore them and I ...   Jun 1 2006, 07:54 PM
Raijinili   Good job. I'm glad you figured that out. Un...   Jun 1 2006, 09:41 PM
Shadow   You called me jerk, idiot, stupid and ignorant. Wo...   Jun 1 2006, 10:13 PM
Chaos Seraph   I actually don't think you're going to fin...   Jun 1 2006, 11:45 PM
Raijinili   Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. ...   Jun 2 2006, 03:55 AM
lightningdude   No, that's actually what he told me. May I ...   Jun 2 2006, 07:32 AM
Raijinili   I didn't say it as an assumption. I gave a P...   Jun 3 2006, 01:11 AM
lightningdude   Let me expand on my question. If something exists,...   Jun 3 2006, 06:52 AM
Dr Sturm   There's no limit on space. The Universe contin...   Jun 3 2006, 03:20 PM
lightningdude   How has that been tested? Anyway, just because the...   Jun 3 2006, 04:49 PM
Raijinili   Let me expand on my question. If something exists,...   Jun 4 2006, 02:40 AM
lightningdude   First of all, if the bubbles of existence thing is...   Jun 4 2006, 06:31 AM
Raijinili   Actually, I'm not doing any such thing. I wa...   Jun 5 2006, 03:01 PM
lightningdude   This is kinda like a question: As one who believe...   Jun 6 2006, 07:06 AM
Leyviur   This entire argument has no purpose. Ha HA!   Jun 6 2006, 03:01 PM
Swiyth   funny you should pop by. do you have any tips? ex...   Jun 6 2006, 07:16 PM
Raijinili   You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Al...   Jun 6 2006, 11:56 PM
Chaos Seraph   And why are spoken statements any better?Wrong wo...   Jun 7 2006, 01:25 AM
Swiyth   Descartes's proof: If I think, then I exist. ...   Jun 7 2006, 04:14 AM
Raijinili   But proofs are just statements that this person...   Jun 7 2006, 06:22 AM
lightningdude   You're posting off-topic again. Stop it. Al...   Jun 7 2006, 07:52 AM
Dr Sturm   You are way fucking off heere. I don't know h...   Jun 7 2006, 08:47 AM
lightningdude   I understand, but I was referring to Rai and what ...   Jun 7 2006, 09:01 AM
Raijinili   If God affects you, you're likely to act diff...   Jun 13 2006, 09:29 AM


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