 Split From Logic Puzzle, Jerks. |
 | ||||
 |  |  |  |  |
| lilcases |
 May 30 2006, 04:25 AM
Post
#1
|
 nice bs  Group: Flunkies Posts: 402 Joined: 6-April 06 Member No.: 102  |
That is very intersting, but confusing. But it is something to think about.
~~~  |
   |
 
|
  |
Replies(1 - 14)
| Swiyth |
May 30 2006, 05:38 AM
Post
#2
|
 Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
we don't matter cosmically. we don't really matter to the universe. we exist just to exist. just make the most out of life and stop thinking about this stuff.
by the way, since it has no affect on me, and purpose of being is what affects our being. i have no need to prove you wrong because it doesn't really matter and it doesn't exist. ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
|
|
|
|
| Raijinili |
May 30 2006, 06:34 AM
Post
#3
|
 Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
You missed my point completely. Good job.
~~~  |
|
|
|
| lightningdude |
May 30 2006, 06:53 AM
Post
#4
|
|
Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
You are looking at things from a logical scientific perspective. From religious perspectives, there are many different arguments. I shall not discuss them for the simple fact that they will all get shot down because not everyone here believes the same thing.
Essentially, your proposal depends on each person's different point of view. Some believe that everything that exists has a purpose, even the sum of all. Others believe the opposite. You will never find a black and white answer, because there will always be arguments. ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
|
|
|
| Raijinili |
May 31 2006, 01:29 AM
Post
#5
|
||
|
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Basically, you're trying to look smart while hiding the fact that you have no idea what I was saying. At least lil'cases admitted to not understanding. You two suck. Also:
You fail. ~~~ |
||
|
|
|
||
| Shadow |
May 31 2006, 02:50 AM
Post
#6
|
 Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
I admit that things like this are confusing... But I also like to stop and think things like this some days.
But as you said, something with no prupose doesn't matter. Then, why was it created from the begining? I think that everything has a prupose. Things that doesn't have any doesn't exist. The man create things to do another things, like they created Video games consoles for entertainment as a prupose, for an example. The question is: what's the true prupose of the man? We were created for some reason. Maybe to colonize this planet, thing which I'm pretty sure of. That makes things go even more confusing, it makes me think that meaybe we are some project of colonization, and there were other reces before us who tried to colonize the planet (as the dinosaurs). Maybe in the future there will be other races, different to us. |
|
|
|
| Raijinili |
May 31 2006, 03:04 AM
Post
#7
|
||||||||
|
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
That would be reverse purpose, then. But you assume that it was created in the first place. I'm talking about EVERYTHING. That's not excluding whatever gods you believe in.
Try proving that, and we'll talk.
Creation, again. The purposes of the video game was to give the man something to do. That's not the kind of purpose I'm talking about.
Go make your own topic, then. ~~~ |
||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||
| Shadow |
May 31 2006, 03:13 AM
Post
#8
|
|
Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
I never said "god" in my post.
I may believe that somebody created us. But not the Earth. It's said that the entire universe was created from nothing. What's the prupose of it's creation? If you think about it well, it doesn't need any prupose. I don't think that it was something that had to happen. But it just happened. EDIT: And about the "Go make your own topic": What I've said has something to do with this too. It might not be the everyrhing you're talking about, but at the very least everything is everything. This post has been edited by Shadow: May 31 2006, 03:14 AM |
|
|
|
| whoyodaddy |
May 31 2006, 03:32 AM
Post
#9
|
 Had 2 cookies than ate 1 Group: Arcs Posts: 190 Joined: 4-January 06 From: U.S.A Member No.: 36 |
i think i lost a few brain cells trying to figure what you are trying to ask.
~~~  Even a hero is just a person. And people are suseptable to all kinds of injury or pain. |
|
|
|
| Swiyth |
May 31 2006, 06:18 AM
Post
#10
|
|
Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
Rai has successfully confused you all. oh well. i'm hardly smart, so whatever.
besides, what he said is just philosophy. it's a freaking point of view, god damned it all. i could say we're all created for nothing, but we wouldn't know that now, would we? go freaking ask god. it really doesn't matter what he says. it only matters if you believe him or not and what you think. or don't. "there is no spoon. there is no fork either. and in the end, there's also no plate. so go fuck yourself." but i digress. go ahead and bash me. ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
|
|
|
|
| lightningdude |
May 31 2006, 08:17 AM
Post
#11
|
|
Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
I do understand what you are saying. As I said, there are many different perspectives on the theory that you stated. I did not try to prove you right or wrong. I simply said that it is a never-ending debate that has been going on for much longer than you or I have been alive. There are many ways that man tries to prove our purpose for existence on this mortal plane. Then, you have others who merely try to prove that we have no purpose for existence. They each come up with their own theories that counteract eachothers', never really reaching a solid answer that can't be shut down by new theories.
Besides, to look at the sum of all, you must look at the parts that make up the sum. If one part affects another part of the sum, then so on, they are all affected by eachother. Which you could conclude that the sum affects its parts, and the parts affect the sum, due to the fact that if there were no parts, there would be no sum, or if there were fewer parts, the sum would be smaller. That doesn't mean that the sum affects itself. Say you have a bushel of apples. If an apple falls out, you still have the bushel of apples. When the apple fell out, however, it decreased the weight of the bushel. Therefore, something that occured from within the whole affected the whole. Besides, what is included in the sum of all? Are natural phenomenons such as wind included? Wind isn't alive, but it affects living things. This post has been edited by lightningdude: May 31 2006, 08:30 AM ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
|
|
|
| lightningdude |
May 31 2006, 08:34 AM
Post
#12
|
|
Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
Oh, and if you can trash my thoughts and decide that we can't prove you wrong, think about this...
Can you prove yourself correct? Just because we can't prove you wrong, it doesn't mean that you are right. Innocent until proven guilty: Just because you can't prove he didn't do it, doesn't mean you can prove he did it. ~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
|
|
|
| S. S. Wilkins |
May 31 2006, 10:38 AM
Post
#13
|
 Shy Group: Arcs Posts: 39 Joined: 17-April 06 Member No.: 113 |
I think pure logic proved him right...
Debating isn't about proving yourself right. All you have to do is prove others wrong. After all, if you're the only one who isn't wrong, then who's going to argue about you not being right? And who'd believe them if they did? |
|
|
|
| Raijinili |
May 31 2006, 02:56 PM
Post
#14
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
No, but you did repeatedly use the term "create", which implies a concious being.
I wasn't talking about "us". I was talking about the sum of all.
Again, the word "created". Nature does not create a river. Humans create a canal. If you do not assume a creator, then why are you talking about things being created?
First of all, you're using the "it's common sense" argument, which PHAILS. Second, you're not proving me wrong.
Except the topic is to prove my 14-year-old self wrong. And if you can't tie that back to the topic, then you are posting off-topic, which means that it has nothing to do with the topic.
You could say whatever you want. I said something and proved it. There's a difference.
Again, the point of this topic is not to convince anyone one way or another. It's a mental challenge.
The lack of will to learn, to challenge, to see beyond what you can see. This is why you'll never amount to anything but a laborer, Swiyth.
No one has ever bothered to challenge me on this, and no one else that I know of has ever examined this question. So where are there different perspectives? You're just saying that so you can look smart and knowledgable, without having to argue with me.
Name one person who questioned the purpose of everything. And be sure to back it up.
And this is completely off topic. Why are you bringing it up? The ONLY thing I said about proving man's lack of purpose was that it MIGHT be done.
They also find flaws in the proofs of their colleagues. What's your point? If you're saying that someone's proved this wrong before, then lucky you. You can post this disproof and win.
Why must I look at the parts to look at the sum? You said it, now back it up.
Of course something within the whole can affect the whole. I said that it had to affect something outside of itself to matter, and the apple was affecting the other apples and the basket. This isn't proving me wrong.
Yes, if you consider those things to exist.
The whole point of this topic was an exercise in logic. I would be happy if you proved me wrong, because that would mean you learned something.
In your quest to show that you're intelligent, you have shown that you're an idiot. What did I do in my topic post? First, I stated the conclusion. Next, I GAVE THE PROOF. Then I asked people to prove it wrong. Congratulations. You have outsmarted yourself by not paying attention and trying too hard to boost your ego.
Try harder. =============== You can't attack a proof head-on. You have to look for the flaws in the argument, and collapse the argument from within. This post has been edited by Raijinili: May 31 2006, 02:58 PM ~~~ |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Shadow |
May 31 2006, 04:08 PM
Post
#15
|
||
|
Aesthetic Group: Knights Posts: 831 Joined: 18-January 06 From: Argentina Member No.: 46 |
I'm just using "us" as an example, as Sturm used the grain of sand. And you weren't talking about a grain of sand, you were talking about the sum of all. But, once again... Aren't "we" and the grain of sand in the sum of all? |
||
|
|
|
||
|
2 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
| Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 6th November 2025 - 01:47 PM |
Invision Power Board
v2.1.4 © 2025 IPS, Inc.