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| Raijinili |
 Jun 1 2006, 09:09 AM
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Try to wrap your mind around this:
You have a stick and a rock. You hit the rock with the stick, and you hear a sound. You hit it again and again, and you hear a sound every time. 1. You hit it one last time, and you don't hear a sound. You find out that you're deaf for some reason. It doesn't matter what reason, but it's important to note that there is a reason. (Now this is where it gets tricky.) 2. You hit it one last time, and you don't hear a sound. Yet NOTHING HAS CHANGED to affect whether or not you can hear a sound. There is no cause to this lack of effect. What do you think about that? If, one day, you find out that there are effects that have no causes? (Now we go into the philosophy of David Hume.) Science relies on a single premise: What happens before will happen again. If it doesn't happen again, there is a reason for it not to happen again. If you hit the rock, you will hear a sound unless something changes. But, according to Hume, you can't prove this basic premise through either reason or evidence (science). I forget why not reason, but to prove it through science is to use science to prove that you can trust science. It's circular reasoning. ~~~  |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 09:13 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
Oh yeah. Forgot to give a conclusion.
Anyway, try to think about hitting that rock and not hearing a sound. I bet you will immediately start wondering why that rock isn't making a sound. In other words, you will start looking for reasons, for causes, for changes. ~~~ |
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| lightningdude |
Jun 1 2006, 04:46 PM
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Not-so-peculiarly absent Group: Arcs Posts: 229 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Illinois Member No.: 79 |
If you think about it, that is why they cannot prove evolution through science. We cannot go back and observe it happening, and we cannot see any evidence of it happening again.
~~~ These broken hearts are left with scars
Because of your lies And all this time, it feels like I'm Chasing shadows at midnight. --Pillar |
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| Greifer |
Jun 1 2006, 05:07 PM
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 Baby Chocobo Cuteness Group: Arcs Posts: 420 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Underground Member No.: 105 |
That is interesting, but, it didn't blow my mind.
Its just an extension of cause and effect...oh and the past repeating itself. Its not too hard to understand. You just have to think about it for a second. ~~~ I once saw Phoenix Wright cosplay at JACON...
I thought my eyes would shrivel up. |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 1 2006, 06:33 PM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
You didn't understand it at all. It's not an extension of cause and effect, it's the exact OPPOSITE.
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| Irysa |
Jun 1 2006, 11:49 PM
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 Towards some blank infinity Group: Knights Posts: 1470 Joined: 12-February 06 From: Behind You Member No.: 65 |
Even if people saw it happening, they wouldn't believe it, because the majority of humans are ignorant people who see what they want to see. Feeling very intelligent lately Raj I see. ~~~ [13:27:43] [Sabator] peter would be the worst batman ever though. "turn on the bat-signal" "right!" *turns on huge foglight, beams an image of striped pantsu into the sky*
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| Greifer |
Jun 2 2006, 12:32 AM
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Baby Chocobo Cuteness Group: Arcs Posts: 420 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Underground Member No.: 105 |
Rai...the idea is still based on cause and effect. The only difference is that this effect did not seem to have a cause, thus inducing confusion and curiousity.
A problem like this is someting you could wrack your brain over forever, it might even drive you to the point of borderline insanity or even farther. Now if you let it get that far, then you are either a hypothetical genius or your just a moron. If you don't hear a sound when you strike the rock with the stick, then maybe you aren't striking it with force enough to produce audible sound(I presume the rock is being struck hard enough, is it not?) You say nothing changed, you think you are deaf? If you can still hear other noises than the probable sound of the rock being struck, then you are not deaf. Perhaps the rock isn't there and you are hallcinating. Or maybe it's the stick that isn't really there. Or possibly you are just dreaming a pointless dream. Circular reasoning is exactly what it says- reasoning that takes you in circles. This question is made to make you think logically, not to answered. ~~~ I once saw Phoenix Wright cosplay at JACON...
I thought my eyes would shrivel up. |
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| Raijinili |
Jun 2 2006, 04:03 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
The problem with all of those examples is that in each, something changed. Well, except for the dream example, but I was talking about if this actually happened. The other problem is that you are looking for explanations. I said that there aren't any explanations. And of course, people are thinking, "You aren't looking hard enough." Because people can't get the idea out of their head that there's always a cause to an effect, even though it can't be proven. ~~~ |
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| Swiyth |
Jun 2 2006, 04:58 AM
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 Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
what, now it's "THERE IS NO STICK"?. the dream can't be it because you're obviously awake. every action will have an equal and opposite reaction. cause and effect. go listen to the...what was that fellow again? Merovincian or something. but yeah, Angel is right. i mean, Rzul. this is about logical reasoning. it's about understanding. the only reason Rai posted thios here is to stimulate thought. logical thoughts. ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
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| Greifer |
Jun 2 2006, 03:34 PM
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Baby Chocobo Cuteness Group: Arcs Posts: 420 Joined: 7-April 06 From: Underground Member No.: 105 |
Might you refering to Newton's law's of Motion...or Physics or whatever?
~~~ I once saw Phoenix Wright cosplay at JACON...
I thought my eyes would shrivel up. |
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| Swiyth |
Jun 2 2006, 07:30 PM
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Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
Newton's Third Law. or so.
but this has nothing to do with physics. it's just brain stimulation. if something strange occurs, man will want an answer. and thus, he thinks. when he thinks logically, he gets answers. when he gets the answer, he is fullfilled for the moment. Rai's a 14 year old aspiring scientist :\ i'm surprised he's smarter than quite alot of us. ~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
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| Dr Strum |
Jun 2 2006, 08:19 PM
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 Can Lead the Nation with a Microphone Group: Angels Posts: 5427 Joined: 23-December 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 1 |
Rai is not fourteen.
~~~ Писатель всегда будет в оппозиции к политике, пока сама политика будет в оппозиции к культуре.
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| Raijinili |
Jun 3 2006, 02:09 AM
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Lieutenant Group: Gods Posts: 2539 Joined: 25-December 05 Member No.: 16 |
I am indeed not fourteen. Otherwise, I would be in college before my time.
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| Swiyth |
Jun 3 2006, 09:05 AM
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Vlayghn el Deistra Group: Arcs Posts: 223 Joined: 23-December 05 Member No.: 2 |
butbutbutbutbutbutbutbutbut then, how old IS he?!
~~~ <SIENNA> Dude
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| S. S. Wilkins |
Jun 3 2006, 01:05 PM
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 Shy Group: Arcs Posts: 39 Joined: 17-April 06 Member No.: 113 |
What? I thought Rai was 14 too...
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