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[Dr Strum]

I got those definitions out of The Merriam Webster Dictionary.

Exactly. You stopped using your own definition of ribbon, substituting that one, as well as the one for bandage.

The writing business is a very lucrative career to pursue

For further trivializing an art by attaching monetary significance to it, you forever fail.


Anyways, take a random guess what happens when you get to 100%, Lord Ryo, no one has managed to do that thus far.

[Rhiannon]

I guess it's impossible for me to make simple typing mistakes (they're often called "typos" by the way), right?

[Raijinili]

What’s not to understand about that? Explaining or defending yourself isn’t considered “not playing nice” You’re just making up stuff as you go along, getting off topic and attempting to create more problems where there are none.

Okay, let's try this:
Hey, fruitfroth-for-neurons, explaining and defending yourself and not "playing nice" are not mutually exclusive. Because you obviously don't have the higher head nuggets to understand what I'm saying, I'll say it five more times, in large letters, just for you. Maybe one of them will hit home.
1) Entertaining a notion of moral superiority does not give you the right to make irrelevant attacks on your opponents, nor is it necessary or proper for a rational debate.
2) o hay um i can inslut u n rgu wit u at da sm tme
3) If I hit ye on tha noggin 'cause I reckoned ye was stealin' ma peaches, wouldna meant I was in tha right.
4) You can do bad things while you're doing good things. Just because you're doing something that you think is good does not mean you can't be doing wrong.
5) Only a complete idiot would think that "explaining or defending yourself" is the same thing as "not-not playing nice". You seem to think so, and logically, you must then be a complete idiot. Good day, sir.


See what I mean? And you brought this upon yourself. I told you that you can and will stop with the insults and you challenged me with the LIE that you were being civil and polite (and if you weren't sure that "civil and polite" was what I was referring to, you ask instead of going even further). This post is to demonstrate that, if you want to play the game of insults, others are ready and able to step up to the challenge. So I ask you again to stop. If others continue to use insults, ignore those insults or stop arguing, and leave them to me.

[Yuka]

1) The chance of an author making millions in the writing business is slim. Very slim.

Then you don’t know very much do you? The writing business is a very lucrative career to pursue, why do you think so many people have done it, to waste time? Millions is only the beginning.

If that was the case, we'd have a WHOLE lot more writers around, and inflation prices would be even higher. And by the way, I wasn't denying that the novelist career is lucrative; I was stating that there's a small chance YOU'D make millions. And by YOU'D, I mean the general population. In order to make millions, you have to conceive a great idea, great characters, a great plot, and integrate skilled writing to weave it all together. The general populace lacks a few of those components. Usually the skilled writing part. Do you follow, or shall I expand further?

2) Manga will not net you millions, as only Japanese and Japanophiles buy them.

It seems as if you’re unaware of the growing popularity in Japanese products in America. Ranging from anime to video games, and yes, even manga.

Here you misunderstood my point, as I was not saying that any Japanese product will not net YOU millions, I was saying that MANGA SALES will not net YOU millions. Manga sales does NOT include anime, video games, and any other various Japanaese products EXCLUDING manga. I HOPE you follow me on that one.

3) I honestly doubt you're a good writer, given how often you seem to misinterpret things and then say we're all wrong because you don't understand.

Putting words in my mouth again, it’s beginning to hurt my jaw…

Your lack of intellect or inability to comprehend basic word and sentence structure doesn’t make me a bad writer; it only makes things harder for you. And please define what a “good writer” is, because in my eyes, someone who creates great stories is a good writer. So lets say at the very least I have no more than the basic writing abilities but have a brilliant story with characters that come to life when you pick up my book, I think that qualifies me for being a good writer. It’s all about what you write, not how you write. Unless your writing is sooooooo bad it distracts and pulls you away from the story just so you can attempt to make sense of what you just read, which is not the case with me.

Okay, I withdraw my statement about your comprehension of the English language, as it was not relevent to the topic. Putting that aside, as well as you redirecting your lack of comprehension to me and trying to make me suffer for it, I shall define as what I see as a "good writer". To me, a good writer is someone who

conceives a great idea, great characters, a great plot, and integrates skilled writing to weave it all together.

For the record, how you write is just as important as what you write. For example, take something like The Lord of the Rings. If you write the whole thing in simple sentences, it becomes VERY TEDIOUS to read, and takes away from the enjoyment. Plus, you'd be using the same words over and over and over, and it'd just grow dull. Mind you, Tolkein had a great idea when he concieved the storyline for it, but without his skilled writing style, it would have been very boring to read.

By the way, you contradict yourself.

So lets say at the very least I have no more than the basic writing abilities but have a brilliant story with characters that come to life when you pick up my book, I think that qualifies me for being a good writer. It’s all about what you write, not how you write.

From what you first describe, it sounds like the "how you write" part more than the "what you write", and then you go back and say that WHAT you write is more important than HOW you write. And by the way, in your above example, you'd be writing children's picture books. NOT A LUCRATIVE PROFIT, GOOD GAME.

“IT DOESN’T HURT TO ASK!!!!!!!”
それは頼むために傷つかない!!!!!
Es verletzt nicht, um zu bitten!!!!!
Il ne blesse pas pour demander!!!!!

There, I said it in three different languages since you don’t know English very well.
See how stupid that made you look?

This one is just unbelievable. I LOVE how you can't count, since ENGLISH is a language, too, bringing your language count to FOUR, not THREE.
See how stupid that made you look?

Think before you speak, or in this instance, read before you post.

I'm doing this one not as a counterpoint, but as a question: Please point out where I seemed to have misinterpreted what you quoted from me, and your response to it. Here is your quote and your reply:

Sturm, more often than not, doesn't make himself look like an ass when debating. He backs up his points with facts, quotes, and examples.

Everyone is entitled to a mistake or two along the way, even the infamous Dr. Sturm, which is exactly what we’re dealing with right now. Think before you speak, or in this instance, read before you post. I make myself very clear, I can’t help those who are unable to think for themselves so you’ll be on your own now.

“Its wrong because I said so.”

I’ve never implied that. Let alone in any, five-thousand variants was it?

It would have helped to quote the rest of that sentence, since you clearly mistook the meaning there. This is what you SHOULD have quoted, since what you quoted originally was done incorrectly, and you instead misinterpreted it for another attack on you.

Making yourself look like an ass in debates is just going "Its wrong because I said so." or any of the other five-thousand variants of it.

And that was used to explain what making yourself look like an ass in debates IS. I'm not officially saying YOU ARE doing so, I merely explained what an ass in a debate is. GOOD FREAKING GAME, RYO.

Everything I didn't touch was for someone else.

This post has been edited by Sauce XIV: Mar 28 2007, 02:44 AM

[Lord Ryo]

Exactly. You stopped using your own definition of ribbon, substituting that one, as well as the one for bandage.

I got my own definition of ribbon based off the one given in the Merriam Webster Dictionary, as well as for bandage. I posted the actual definition given in the dictionary after you continued to misunderstand my simple version.

I guess it's impossible for me to make simple typing mistakes (they're often called "typos" by the way), right?

No Rhia, you are in fact allowed to make simple typing mistakes or “typos” that’s what makes you human after all. *You are human right? Just kidding* I was only pointing out that everyone here is so quick to jump on my back when I make a typo or mistake, yet when they make one of their own, nobody catches it and everything’s ok. It’s funny how they’ll spend so much time reading over my posts looking for mistakes, but they don’t actually read any of it, thus leading to confusion and conflict. *I think you might be right Rasler*

If that was the case, we'd have a WHOLE lot more writers around, and inflation prices would be even higher. And by the way, I wasn't denying that the novelist career is lucrative; I was stating that there's a small chance YOU'D make millions. And by YOU'D, I mean the general population. In order to make millions, you have to conceive a great idea, great characters, a great plot, and integrate skilled writing to weave it all together. The general populace lacks a few of those components. Usually the skilled writing part. Do you follow, or shall I expand further?

No, Sauce I follow. You’re right, and your conception of what makes a good writer is similar to my own. However, like I said, the writing isn’t going to make or break the story, unless it’s either that good, or that bad. If you have a kick ass idea, with the perfect story, with great characters, and the plot just brings it all together, you’re a good writer even if your writing can’t quite be considered “top notch”. I’m not going to let some lesser writing skills ruin a good story.

Here you misunderstood my point, as I was not saying that any Japanese product will not net YOU millions, I was saying that MANGA SALES will not net YOU millions. Manga sales does NOT include anime, video games, and any other various Japanaese products EXCLUDING manga. I HOPE you follow me on that one.

Still with ya. Maybe my post was directed at the wrong person, sorry. But what I meant was that I do expect my manga to expand beyond just a manga. No I don’t think my manga alone will make me millions, but perhaps an anime that follows, and a card game, and video games, and any other merchandise that comes along will make me millions. I’m expanding my imagination to see my full potentials, you guys *and girl* are not using your imagination and just going with the worst possible idea of the situation.

For the record, how you write is just as important as what you write. For example, take something like The Lord of the Rings. If you write the whole thing in simple sentences, it becomes VERY TEDIOUS to read, and takes away from the enjoyment. Plus, you'd be using the same words over and over and over, and it'd just grow dull. Mind you, Tolkein had a great idea when he concieved the storyline for it, but without his skilled writing style, it would have been very boring to read.

Would a poorly written version of the story make it that horrible? How would bad writing ruin the characters, or plot? Take J. K Rawling *or however it’s spelt…* I’ve heard that the Harry Potter series is a poorly written book *I’ve only read one of them and didn’t like it but…* obviously not too poorly written, but far from one of the best. Now look, she sits on the fortune 500. Why? Because she created a story that touched the hearts of millions around the world, not necessarily because she’s an excellent writer.

From what you first describe, it sounds like the "how you write" part more than the "what you write", and then you go back and say that WHAT you write is more important than HOW you write. And by the way, in your above example, you'd be writing children's picture books. NOT A LUCRATIVE PROFIT, GOOD GAME.

No, I only said that the “what you write” is more important than the “how you write”.

Children’s picture books…I don’t recall saying anything like that…not that it would be that bad, children’s books *which usually include pictures* IS in fact a pretty lucrative profit, if done correctly that is. *Harry Potter again anyone…* But, I don’t think I quite see myself writing books for children. But, one never knows!

This one is just unbelievable. I LOVE how you can't count, since ENGLISH is a language, too, bringing your language count to FOUR, not THREE.
See how stupid that made you look?

You never cease to surprise me. Note how I said “DIFFERENT LANGUAGES SINCE YOU DON’T KNOW ENGLISH…” The ENGLISH language is not a DIFFERENT language from the ENGLISH language. Obviously ENGLISH was excluded in my count, especially seeing how "if you didn’t know ENGLISH..." Now that; was too stupid for words…

I'm doing this one not as a counterpoint, but as a question: Please point out where I seemed to have misinterpreted what you quoted from me, and your response to it.

Here I was pointing out how you jumped to conclusions without reading my posts. Take post #233 for example; you didn’t appear to have understood what I had to say, yet that didn’t stop you from posting your comments, which was just repeating what Sturm already said. I figured out two possibilities: One; you don’t have a mind of your own, or two; you didn’t read what I said. I went with option two; I have seen you to show your OWN opinions in the past.

[Irysa]

I got my own definition of ribbon based off the one given in the Merriam Webster Dictionary, as well as for bandage. I posted the actual definition given in the dictionary after you continued to misunderstand my simple version.

So you changed your stance.

No Rhia, you are in fact allowed to make simple typing mistakes or “typos” that’s what makes you human after all. *You are human right? Just kidding* I was only pointing out that everyone here is so quick to jump on my back when I make a typo or mistake, yet when they make one of their own, nobody catches it and everything’s ok. It’s funny how they’ll spend so much time reading over my posts looking for mistakes, but they don’t actually read any of it, thus leading to confusion and conflict. *I think you might be right Rasler*

There's very little not so misunderstand in "I am going to be a successful, very rich person, thanks to manga", "What Ursala is wearing is ribbons", and various else. You're hardly not done this either. Example

What’s not to understand about that? Explaining or defending yourself isn’t considered “not playing nice” You’re just making up stuff as you go along, getting off topic and attempting to create more problems where there are none.

Hmmm....

No, Sauce I follow. You’re right, and your conception of what makes a good writer is similar to my own. However, like I said, the writing isn’t going to make or break the story, unless it’s either that good, or that bad. If you have a kick ass idea, with the perfect story, with great characters, and the plot just brings it all together, you’re a good writer even if your writing can’t quite be considered “top notch”. I’m not going to let some lesser writing skills ruin a good story.

I doubt anyone here would be nearly as critical if you were saying "I Hope to become a writer, and become successful if possible". This is one of the aspects I've noticed in society these days, so many children are stuffed full of "You're special" as they grow up, and everyone wants to be the next uber successful businessman/writer/artist/musician, etc. I'm afraid except in very slim chances, its not going to happen. By all means, reach for the stars, but you've already got your head in them if you think you're guaranteed to pull it off.

Still with ya. Maybe my post was directed at the wrong person, sorry. But what I meant was that I do expect my manga to expand beyond just a manga. No I don’t think my manga alone will make me millions, but perhaps an anime that follows, and a card game, and video games, and any other merchandise that comes along will make me millions. I’m expanding my imagination to see my full potentials, you guys *and girl* are not using your imagination and just going with the worst possible idea of the situation.

What I already said. Also, interesting contrast to what you said earlier about "picking out flaws"

Would a poorly written version of the story make it that horrible? How would bad writing ruin the characters, or plot? Take J. K Rawling *or however it’s spelt…* I’ve heard that the Harry Potter series is a poorly written book *I’ve only read one of them and didn’t like it but…* obviously not too poorly written, but far from one of the best. Now look, she sits on the fortune 500. Why? Because she created a story that touched the hearts of millions around the world, not necessarily because she’s an excellent writer.

...

One day, Frodo was told to go to Mount Doom and destroy the ring he had. He took his friends with him. They fought evil black riders. An unknown man helped them to get to Rivendale. They got more friends. They went through an old Dwarfish mine. Gandalf died. They stopped at Lorien. They went down the river. They were attacked by Urak-Hai. Boromir died. Frodo ran off with Sam.


Is this anyway as interesting as the Fellowship of the Ring? JK Rowling made millions because the idea she had was fairly original, and had a lot of potential, and also had some relations to what other children would feel entering Secondary school's and such. If she'd written it very unskilled, the books would have become dull and boring. Which is debatable if they have or not...
Regardless, if you read a poorly written story and a well written story, the well written one will nearly always be significantly superior in many aspects to the poorly written one. The only possible exception is where the poorly written one has something so absolutely bloody genius in it, it shines through. No offence, but again, very few people can do this. Most people that can do this are good at literature anyway, and can write in well formed and interesting sentences.

No, I only said that the “what you write” is more important than the “how you write”.

Children’s picture books…I don’t recall saying anything like that…not that it would be that bad, children’s books *which usually include pictures* IS in fact a pretty lucrative profit, if done correctly that is. *Harry Potter again anyone…* But, I don’t think I quite see myself writing books for children. But, one never knows!

Pursue the career if you wish, and at least you seem to be bringing a level of uncertainty into this. <_<

You never cease to surprise me. Note how I said “DIFFERENT LANGUAGES SINCE YOU DON’T KNOW ENGLISH…” The ENGLISH language is not a DIFFERENT language from the ENGLISH language. Obviously ENGLISH was excluded in my count, especially seeing how "if you didn’t know ENGLISH..." Now that; was too stupid for words…

English is a different language to the other 3 languages.

Here I was pointing out how you jumped to conclusions without reading my posts. Take post #233 for example; you didn’t appear to have understood what I had to say, yet that didn’t stop you from posting your comments, which was just repeating what Sturm already said. I figured out two possibilities: One; you don’t have a mind of your own, or two; you didn’t read what I said. I went with option two; I have seen you to show your OWN opinions in the past.

Did you ever think of the possibility that if multiple people are against you on the same point, a NON SUBJECTIVE POINT, you could be wrong?

This post has been edited by Chaos Seraph: Mar 30 2007, 12:42 PM

[Raijinili]

This one is just unbelievable. I LOVE how you can't count, since ENGLISH is a language, too, bringing your language count to FOUR, not THREE.
See how stupid that made you look?

Since you brought up the counting, I'll use an argument through counting. Mathematical induction.

"Since you can't understand English, I'll explain it to you in k different languages." The goal is to show that, for all k>0, it's logical to interpret the k languages as all being different to English.

To do this, one must have a base case. Since 1 is the least positive integer, we use that.

1) "Since you can't understand English, I'll explain it to you in a (one) different language."

Here, it is obvious that the one language must be different to English. So the base case is demonstrated.

Now we can assume that it works for k different languages (i.e. it is logical to interpret them as being different to English). We must use this to prove that it works for k+1 different languages.

2) "Since you can't understand English, I'll explain it to you in k different languages."

You can just add one in there and it's easy to see that it works for any number.

The conditions are satisfied. By the theorem of induction, Q.E.D.

And by the way, in your above example, you'd be writing children's picture books. NOT A LUCRATIVE PROFIT, GOOD GAME.

Children are more materialistic because it's not their money they're using, and parents want to make children happy, which makes other kids jealous, and makes other parents buy the same thing. In fact, children are very big consumers, and there were once laws that didn't allow children TV shows to sell products (like Power Ranger toys being promoted by the show Power Rangers), because it had such a huge effect. If you look at the ticket sales, movies targeted at children make more money on average than other movies, not least because of oversaturation of movies NOT aimed at kids. So yes, it's lucrative. In your words, GOOD GAME.

Did you ever think of the possibility that if multiple people are against you on the same point, a NON SUBJECTIVE POINT, you could be wrong?

Did you ever think about the possibility that if no one who agrees with you points out your errors, and someone who doesn't agree with you points out "errors", those "errors" might actually be errors?

Did you also think about the possibility that even if you did realize your errors, you wouldn't admit them? If you're going to ask your opponent to admit his own errors, show your hand first.

[Lord Ryo]

So you changed your stance.

No, just read what I said.

I doubt anyone here would be nearly as critical if you were saying "I Hope to become a writer, and become successful if possible". This is one of the aspects I've noticed in society these days, so many children are stuffed full of "You're special" as they grow up, and everyone wants to be the next uber successful businessman/writer/artist/musician, etc. I'm afraid except in very slim chances, its not going to happen. By all means, reach for the stars, but you've already got your head in them if you think you're guaranteed to pull it off.

Confidence isn’t wishful thinking. Of course everyone wants to be successful in life and only those who truly believe in themselves will actually make their dreams come true, regardless! I’ve considered all aspects when writing and I’m not walking around with a swelled head assuming the best. I’m ready to accept failure if that’s truly my fate, however, I don’t think that will be the case here.

And actually, children today aren’t being told “You’re special” enough, otherwise this planet wouldn’t be so screwed up! Like I said, everyone wants to be successful in life, but how many people actually attempt to make that happen? Do you think junkies and gang bangers accomplished their dreams? No, instead they make it harder for others to accomplish theirs.

One day, Frodo was told to go to Mount Doom and destroy the ring he had. He took his friends with him. They fought evil black riders. An unknown man helped them to get to Rivendale. They got more friends. They went through an old Dwarfish mine. Gandalf died. They stopped at Lorien. They went down the river. They were attacked by Urak-Hai. Boromir died. Frodo ran off with Sam.


Is this anyway as interesting as the Fellowship of the Ring?

No, this is an example of

Unless your writing is sooooooo bad it distracts and pulls you away from the story just so you can attempt to make sense of what you just read…

That is not a good story make of course. I never said take a good story and sum it up in one paragraph and it’ll still be good.

Correct me if I’m wrong. You’re not a writer right? So we’ll say you don’t have above average writing skills. *hypothetically* Now re-write the Fellowship of the Ring in story form, don’t change anything. Will the events of the story still be good? Will people still like the characters? My guess is, probably. Even if I wrote it, it’s still a great story. Take movies for example, bad writing slapped on the big screen can be seen as a good story.

JK Rowling made millions because the idea she had was fairly original, and had a lot of potential, and also had some relations to what other children would feel entering Secondary school's and such. If she'd written it very unskilled, the books would have become dull and boring. Which is debatable if they have or not...

J. K Rowling wrote children’s book, you know, books geared towards children. Therefore excellent writing ability is un-needed to grasp the attention of children. All you need in that field is at least a cute story line kids can relate to. Now I don’t know exactly if the Harry Potter series was THAT poorly written, but I doubt if it’s THAT superior either, I’ve seen better writing structure here on this message board!

Regardless, if you read a poorly written story and a well written story, the well written one will nearly always be significantly superior in many aspects to the poorly written one. The only possible exception is where the poorly written one has something so absolutely bloody genius in it, it shines through. No offence, but again, very few people can do this. Most people that can do this are good at literature anyway, and can write in well formed and interesting sentences.

The better storyline will be the significantly superior in my opinion. I read for entertainment purposes not to see great writing skills.

English is a different language to the other 3 languages.

Yes, but I was talking about the other three being different from English, I wasn’t comparing the four languages together. I said three DIFFERENT languages other than ENGLISH; therefore English is not included in “different”.

Did you ever think of the possibility that if multiple people are against you on the same point, a NON SUBJECTIVE POINT, you could be wrong?

Maybe, but when everyone is on the same repeated point with no supportive arguments backing anything up, I doubt I’m in the wrong here.

Sturm doubts my writing ability and future success, Chaos Seraph agrees but doesn’t know why. Sauce and Rhia disagree with me for an unknown reason as well. You all realize none of you know me well enough to even give a proper reason why or why not I will or will not be successful in writing. And more than half of you don’t have the right to say it’s because of what I do or do not write on this message board.

[Dr Strum]

The better storyline will be the significantly superior in my opinion.

The storyline is unimportant, it's the story telling that's important.

Sauce and Rhia disagree with me for an unknown reason as well.

Unknown to someone with poor reading skills.

Now. We've all had our say, so back on topic. The next off topic post in this thread gets a warning, the one following gets a ban. And saying one thing about the genders and then launching back into this argument is NOT being on topic.

[Irysa]

I doubt it because I fail to understand how you'd manage, considering the way you seem to expect it to fall into place perfectly. I have nothing against confidence, but your overconfidence will be your downfall if you keep going like that Ryo. I wish you luck in your attempts to do so, but I wouldn't nearly be so headstrong about it if I were you.

I take back what I said Rai, fair point.

Warn me if you must, I needed to say that.



Ursula and Seth are genderless.

[Seve]

Uh... not sure if it means anything, but when you check Seth Rah's stats in the english game, or at least mine, but when you go down to tactics it says "Seth-Rah uses Metamorphosis to change her abilities. Her weakness changes as well, so keep your attacks varied."

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but uh, in "english canon" I guess that means at least when you add Hector, Seth is a chick?

[Rhiannon]

That was brought up before. Cars and machines of that sort were brought up, because they're often referred to as female even though they have no gender.

[Seve]

... I don't really see how that connection was made, unless you're really scraping on the bottom of the barrel for ideas.

Oh well. xD

[Rhiannon]

I don't know how you can't see the connection... but either way, don't act like it was me who first brought it up. I was just informing you since it seems you didn't read the entire thread.