People don't want to listen to Rap?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/18/...in2699800.shtml


If I were a lonely suicidal Korean kid, I'd open fire on the Westboro Baptist Church. I don't think people would hate me as much, and then maybe the survivors heads would explode, because they'd have to stop and think "Fred Phelps is dead because he wasn't a good christian by our logic....what the hell are we doing?"

Does not follow logically. I know of many thousands of people in mental hospitals with violent tendencies, and I'm pretty sure most of them haven't killed people, therefore violent tendencies have nothing to do with murderers.
I can have a million dollars and still not be better off. Do you realize the extent of psychological pressure that prisoners are under?
You don't need to interact with a stranger to have a child. In other words, it's difficult to regulate it.
Hm, what exactly do you think of death metal?

This is what's popular, and it's out there because people like it.

The best way you can kill gangster rap is to make something REALLY appealing to the same audience, and get EVERYONE from that audience to buy your product to the exclusion of gangster rap. Or, you can try building the country up through education of poor families so that people wouldn't relate to a hard life on the street, but anything relating to education of the masses is infinitely more difficult.

Popular rap music is popular because 1) People relate, and 2) They have something to aspire to. And of course, 3) Because it's cool, but we can ignore those people.

Every time you say that you have a problem with violent video games or rap music, you must remember that there is an audience for these "bad" things. All the things you can say about violent rap music causing violence can be applied to violent video games analogously. Think about that for a little bit.
No one takes rappers seriously? What, are you sheltered? Maybe YOU don't take it seriously, but you show a disdain for rap that has already been shown to cloud your judgement. People actually live similar hard lives out there, with gangs and fear.

Making up for it? They make money off of it, which makes up for it a bit... But seriously, you don't get it. People relate to the rapper's words. They relate to the dreams that the rapper presents.

Linkin Park is not bad-ass. I don't even see where you would start to think that.

Even worse, half the LP songs are about the guy spiting someone, leaving someone, defying someone. Basically, being whiny. How is this any worse than singing about your childhood?

And no, I don't hate LP. I listen to their songs, and I hate 50 Cent and many of the other popular rappers. But really, LP being bad-ass?
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Really, do you actually think he believe that someone would get the impression that rap seriously has that high a density of swear words? Besides, I've seen two lines in a song where half the words were censored.
Many rappers sing parts of their songs, and many of the "complaining about childhood" songs include singing. So no, "singing about your childhood" is accurate enough.
Wrong on two counts. First, no one is "forced" into a gang. You can kill yourself, go to the police and ask to be taken away from the unsafe place (unlikely to work), kill everyone that might try to get you in a gang (if you die, that's an even more efficient way to get out of being in gangs), etc.

Also, depending on your definition of "stupid", all gangsters ARE stupid.

*pick, pick*
Now THOSE people are not taken seriously.

I resent that. Even in the genre of Pornogrind, frequent swearing isn't customary, the lyrics can be basic, but simply illustrate what some may conceive to be disgusting situations.


If you are of a "sensitive" disposition, its your own fault for clicking this example.




Etc. Death Metal doesn't necessarily even cover this typically, many bands, for example, Death ( Pioneering band in the genre ) have songs with deeper meanings, such as "Symbolic", as Chuck put it, "A song about life, which we must share, its ups and downs, of lost innocence"



If that was simply a joke at Ryo, I'm stupid enough to have missed it.

This post has been edited by Chaos Seraph: Apr 20 2007, 03:36 PM

Crime, in our human nature?! Well maybe, but just because we have the power to do something, doesn’t mean we should do it.

Watch closely Sauce. Or should I say read closely… *Mwuahahahaha!*

I never said needing a license to have sex *I don’t want that…* but it would actually do a lot of good. *The child license not the sex license…* You see having a child takes much more than a few minutes in bed with someone, it actually takes a skill, no, raising a child takes skill, similar to hunting, and selling, *driving not included due to the increasing number of inexperienced driver on the streets today* Although there are ways of preventing child birth without eliminating the fun. *No, I am not recommending that all women get their tubes tied. Forgive me.* What do you expect for those babies born by 12 year old girls? Do you think a child at the age of 12 has enough common sense to properly raise a child? Didn’t think so. So many lives are born wasted, I wouldn’t expect a childbearing license to limit the number of babies born, but hey, maybe we can do with those who decide to break this new found law the same as we do those who sell without a license, or drive without a license, lock them up! Oh wait, then that goes back to our judicial system not working… It seems there’s no cure for crime. But no, it wouldn’t be punishing someone for a “stupid” reason, preventing the spread of further destruction of this world is not a stupid idea. Those who would legally possess a license would more than likely go about things in the right way, especially if it were extremely difficult to obtain. *Unlike driving licenses...* Overall it just seems kids nowadays aren’t growing up and entering this world with the basics of life, and if someone, anyone, anything, can help this, I’m all up for it, after all; it's our generation that has to suffer for it.

I added a joking comment about me over exaggerating the situation, it was right in the middle of my post so you have no excuse for not reading it.

But yes, that much swearing usually is not included in rap songs, but it’s pretty close, which is what I was trying to display, that it’s unnecessary.

Anyone who would even consider gangbanging is screwed up in the head, and anyone who is screwed up in the head in that sense is stupid.

Because video games are taken even less serious. Hey, maybe it would be better if people actually set out on a journey to change the world for the better, to fight evil entities to prove their future, to learn new summons and put them to good use. Wait, why aren’t people following video games in the first place…

What country do you live in? If you think the American judicial system is not warped, maybe you should take another look around you. You might see things my way for once.

What the hell are you talking about? Explain yourself.

Did I say that you said you did? Did I even imply that you did?

The penal system is a lower branch than the judicial system. If a higher power can’t help our country, who can?

Dear Sturmy, where do I live you may ask? Why I live in a small town located in the southern California area. It’s called Lancaster, which is also part of what is known as the Antelope Valley, although it is still within the County of Los Angeles.

Sincerely, Lord Ryo

My 100% statement was yet another over exaggeration. Just saying there is s lot of crime in my city just doesn’t cut it, what city doesn’t have crime? Did you know Lancaster California took the second death of 2007? Yes, the second murder of the year 2007 was done in Lancaster, like across the street from my apartment even. People joked around saying “Yeah, we’re second place!” And guess what, it was gang related. Wow, why am I not surprised. First off, jaywalking is not a crime; technically you can get a ticket and be fined for it but more than likely unless you have a bad reputation with the cops you’ll get no more then a warning at most. So that was a really bad example, but you’re free to try again, even the judicial system can’t stop that.

lol. Oh Sturm, you crack me up! ^^ It’s when you say things like that make me wish we didn’t argue so much. Who knows, maybe we could have been better friends. What would have happened had we met under different circumstances? After all, we spend so much time talking on your message board, yet we’ve never had a civil conversation. We should try it once.

Then I guess they should’ve thought twice about the life style they chose to live, don’t you?

So that makes it ok to go out and do the same thing, good thinking Raijinili. *sigh*

Dreams? So the new American dream is to go out and gangbang, to become rich by rapping about gangbanging, to try to justify why you gangbang in the first place?! Gangbanging is no dream, and if you think it is then you’re no better then the rappers themselves.

Because Linkin Park’s lyrics don’t involve a life of crime.

Newsflash! Rapping is not singing. You don’t need to carry a tune to speak at an annoyingly fast rate.

This post has been edited by Lord Ryo: Apr 21 2007, 08:31 AM

Childrearing has nothing to do with common sense.

Someone doesn't know their fifty states; I live in America, and I think our Judicial system is very nicely crafted. I also think you're spewing crap because you've yet to give an actual explanation as to why you think our Judicial system is terrible, merely that it is corrupt and bad and zomgtheyrfail.

Procreation is a natural act, to require a license for it would be no different from limiting eating and sweating.

Yes, you did. I'll walk you through it. I said the death penalty is a waste. You said it was necessary because it was far too expensive to keep them locked up, implying that prison is the only alternative to death.

You can hardly blame them; if people are actually recording that Lancaster "took the second death of 2007," then it's only those people's faults.

It is against the law, it is a crime. The size of punishment doesn't matter.

Oh really? So a girl driving in her car with her boyfriend stops at a convenience store at his request. He goes in to get something. While he's in there, he knifes the clerk and empties the register. They leave. She doesn't know what happens until she's arrested the next day for accessory to murder and theft. Not cheap sentences. Or, how about this, you get pulled over by a cop, maybe you were a bit over the speed limit, maybe you just have a busted taillight. Your friend just happens to have a bit of coke in his back pocket. What happens to you if the police officer finds out? Accessory to felony possession.

Anything can be a dream. Honor, morality and ethics have nothing to do with what is and isn't a dream.

I'd recommend someone a life of crime long before a life of emotional death or outright suicide. Anyways, I would like to point out that Linkin Park did and album with well known rapper Jay-Z.

Newsflash! Tone is merely one of the six basic elements of music.

I feel sorry for whatever children you might have. Without common sense, you can’t properly steer a growing child in the right direction. It is a parent’s job to make the right choices when raising a child. If they don’t have at least common sense, something is going to be horribly wrong.

When eating and sweating becomes a problem in the world, we’ll argue about it then.

No, implying that death is the best alternative, not the only. Or they can spend less money maintaining the prisons and throw them in a dark room with no light or food, that way it wouldn’t cost so much.

Did you know that in Minnesota it is illegal it eat hamburgers on a Sunday? And were you aware that driving a red car down Lake Street Minneapolis is a federal crime? And can you believe that crossing the state boarders of Minnesota is illegal while a duck is sitting on your head? As ridiculous as these may sound, it’s all true, and these laws are still in effect. Although no one in the current time will ever be prosecuted for committing these “crimes” and they will never hold up in court, are these still considered to be crimes if you commit them? There’s just not enough time for anyone to go through the books and scratch off the unnecessary “crimes”. Although jaywalking is a little more serious then these, it’s still not “crime standards”. You won’t find a case of jaywalking on the front page or the 11:00 news.

Tell me I didn’t have to exclude those wrongfully imprisoned? No, someone who is setting on death row for a crime they didn’t commit isn’t being served justice and are not included in “being where they belong”.

Dreams should be pleasant, and for someone to find pleasure in doing cruel things is not human. I think nightmare would be a better word for you to use.

Why, a life of crime will only lead to a life emotional death or suicide, are you trying to torture people? And fill me in, I’m not too familiar with that album, but were there excessive swearing and profanity on that album. Did Chester Bennington scream about bitches, hoes, and drugs? I doubt it, it’s not his style.

Yes, but music covers more than just singing. And no one would consider talking to be a musical art.

Extract from "Big Pimpin' / Papercut", on their "Collision Course" album, which had Jay Z on it.



Rapping is singing. Just as much as Death Grunts are, and just as much as Clean vocals are.

This post has been edited by Chaos Seraph: Apr 21 2007, 12:36 PM

You are the biggest dumbfuck I have ever seen. Childrearing does not always involve common sense. Ironically the person in this thread who is the last person to have a child is you. Stop acting like you know everything about parenting when you're not even a parent.


You completely missed the point of his argument, moron. And how would you limit childbirths anyway? By making it illegal all you're doing is having people do it in secret instead of how things are now. Nice solution, idiot, now you've upped the crime rate.


Do you have any idea how much money the death penalty costs? Do you remember the prison riot years ago that made prisons so well maintained today? Oh wait, you're a kid. I shouldn't expect you to know any of this stuff. You're too ignorant.


I can't believe you're comparing ridiculous laws to jaywalking. That's retarded logic and you know it. And news? All news does is report on the worst crimes, not all of them. The sheer volume of crime is such that if the news was to broadcast every single crime that happens in a country, there would be nothing BUT news on. If a murder doesn't make it onto the news it suddenly isn't a crime? Do you take everything the media throws out to be gospel? What are you, retarded? Don't make me laugh. You obviously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.


Oh really. What about those people who killed someone to protect a loved one? What about those people who stole to provide for their families? Not everything is black and white, dipshit. Only kids like you think in those terms. The rest of us know things about shades of gray that you refuse to acknowledge.


Why are you even arguing about this?


So instead of encouraging people to be criminals you're encouraging them to be stupid bitchy emos who write poems and do nothing to contribute to society? Your view of a 'better world' sure is shitty. Instead of people who take away from society we have spineless shits who won't do anything because they're crawling in their skin.


You obviously have no idea what can pass for art these days.

That's a horrible response if you're trying to win a debate. You claimed that prisoners were better off than the homeless. I responded. Pay attention.
No, again, pay attention. I was explaining that people actually take rap music seriously. Try to follow a conversation back next time.
Oh, I see. You don't even listen to rap music, you just hear about it and hear the popular stuff on the radio.

No, the dream is to get OUT of the life of gangs.
You're still not paying attention. My response was against your complaint about rappers talking about their crappy childhood. Unless you claim that black people are criminals from childhood, I don't see how that's a proper response.
Hey! Listen!

That was in response to Sauce saying the same thing against YOU! Look UP for a change, you might see something unexpected.
Pairing up and sharing each other's belongings is a natural act, to require a license for it would be like making a marriage license law.
Define common sense. And don't be vague. Give examples of common sense.

I don't believe in common sense. For example, I would consider it common sense to look into something if you're confused about it. Like looking up when you're on a message board and you don't know what someone is responding to. And since a large number of people don't seem to do that, it's evidence for the lack of the existence of common sense.
I can just as easily call singing "talking". Rapping IS musical. Linkin Park raps, and would you say that the rapping doesn't add anything other than lyrics to the songs? You're just biased against rapping when it's not in a rock band.

I never said it either. That would be even worse than a license to have children.



A child born by a twelve year old girl is most likely an ACCIDENT. A girl so young might think "Oh, my parents are going to kill me. I'll have to keep this secret... and maybe kill the baby, too. Otherwise they might somehow find out." Have you not heard of all these stories of babies being tossed into dumpsters by unwanting young mothers, or that one baby who was stabbed more than one hundred times by her mother? These are done by young mothers who did not want the child. It may be hard to believe, but it's a fairly common way of thinking when you're as scared as they would be in that situation. Adding a license to the mix would just make it even worse and more common. I don't think anybody wants that.



Okay, so let's look at this. It's a normal couple, and they use condoms when they have sex. One day, it breaks. Suddenly, the woman is pregnant. They don't have this license. They are also against abortion or maybe it's illegal. What the hell are they going to do? Get locked up. Over something that wasn't even their fault. That is NOT right.



Hmm, following video games... that's a great idea! How about I be Yggdra, and I go out and kill your family because you stole my Xbox. Yeah! That'll stop needless killing... Oh, oh! I could also be KOS-MOS and destroy a bunch of fish because one of them bit my mother's hand. Or maybe I could call myself Ash and then cram a bunch of birds and lizards into tiny balls and force them to fight until they faint.

Don't make me think up more examples of why we DON'T follow video games.

Well, over eating is killing the world's resources, and sweating makes the world stinky. FAR worse a problem than people who don't know how to properly raise their children.

I obey all those laws.

What was it that that principle said to that wrongfully arrested student? "You're a criminal, and criminals lie, why should we have believed you?"

How many people find eating meat cruel? Right. Cruelty is subjective.

Since when? Most "successful" criminals lead the high life. Other criminals end up in prison where they either end up angry or constantly frightened.

Yeah, just like no one considers beating sticks against leather bound tubes to be a musical art! Even though that's included in nearly every form of music across the earth, even a lot of cultural music!

Marriage is rarely about sharing belongings; it's more about certain rights like inheritance and decisions of incapacitation.

If those really are the lyrics to their songs then I take back what I said. I said I wasn’t familiar with the album so I wasn’t sure. But I will say that I am surprised, assuming Jay-z wasn’t the only one saying that stuff.

So Leyviur, what else about my life do you know? Are a stalker? Then how would know if I had a child? *I think maybe you should be locked up, for blatant stupidity, not stalking.* It’s true, I don’t have a child, but I do have much experience in raising a child, far more then you ever will. But now I’m curious; since you’re the first person to display their total lack of intelligence regarding childrearing I have to hear what YOU think is right. Please, do explain how to raise a child that will enter this world and live at the least, a basic life, to become a good honest hard working man/woman, without common sense. It shouldn’t be hard, seeing how you don’t have any common sense of your own; this should be just as your parents raised you. *shiver* God help us…

There’s a movie like this, I forget what it’s called, it an old one. But it’s a movie that’s not too far becoming true. I’ll find the name and post it, you should watch it and expand your imagination.

The death penalty is very inexpensive, especially considering we’re comparing it to how much it costs to keep people locked up.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. That is common sense, you know, something you don’t have, but it’s ok remember, you don’t need it to get through life, that’s what you said. Let’s try this: I’m out late one night working hard to help my family, I come home at seven in the morning and find out that my family has been killed, I know who did it and go out and kill that person. I get caught and go to prison for murder. Am I a criminal? Am I a murderer? Three letters, Y E S!!! Basically you’re saying if you kill or commit a crime with “virtuous intent” it’s ok. So aa long as I have a good reason for doing wrong I’m not guilty. That is what you call extreme mental retardation.

*facepalmsigh* Hehe. I refuse to have an intelligent conversation with someone who refuses to show intelligence. Please, don’t bother talking to me if you’re going to act stupid.

I was saying this in response to someone *hint, hint* saying that prisoners are under such psychological pressure. Please, don’t confuse two separate arguments.

Most people usually don’t take things seriously unless they can relate to it. Is that simple enough?

So why is it when they make millions they continue to gangbang? People who have the opportunity to achieve their goals and make millions in the process usually don’t ignore it, regardless of how stupid they may be.

You asked how was it better than “singing” about a crappy childhood, and I responded by saying that “singing” about a crappy childhood which involves a lot of crime is worse than singing about the things Linkin Park sings about.

YOU said that rapping was the same as singing, and I said it wasn’t, what is so hard to understand about that? Please pay attention before you post, it’ll help much.

Common sense or better put as common understanding is what one uses to discover mistakes. Through common sense one can orient oneself in thinking; common sense is what we use to judge correctness of speculative understanding. As an example, you touch fire and get burned for the first time; common sense is what tells you not to touch fire again. Common sense is also what tells you what’s right and what’s wrong, we’re all born with it. For those who continue to follow the wrong path common sense has carved for them, they’re either stupid, *prisoners who deserve to be there* or they don’t have common sense; example: someone who has to touch fire every day and still doesn’t realize that it burns like hell. These are the things parents are to instill into their children to better prepare them for the world. If you raise a child and don’t apply common sense to your teachings; your child will likely end up making the wrong decisions in life. Although I said common sense is something we’re all born with, it's also something you obtain while experiencing life. Your parents who use their common sense to help guide you to use your common sense correctly. Sorry Leyviur, sorry Raijinili; you missed out on great opportunities in life.

Mike Shinoda actually carries a nice tune in his rapping and isn’t just talking over music, and since Linkin Park isn’t an entirely rap group I’ll consider them to be real, and very good musicians.

This just goes to show that you didn’t pay attention or read my post. Although it seemed as if I was quoting you, I was actually quoting both you and Sauce and combined your arguments and replied as one. Sauce brought up the sex license, so I was talking to him. Just another example of not using common sense.

Thus proving my point that twelve year old girls that do not have common sense do not make good parents. Thanks Rhia, you’re on my side! ^^

I see you’re still with me. Remember; common sense is what tells you DON’T STAB YOUR CHILD! Oh wait, she’s only twelve, she doesn’t have common sense. Now, follow the chain, who’s responsible for raising such a screwed up twelve year old, the parents. Now we see that common sense is required when raising a child.

Oh, now I see the problem. Let me correct a past mistake of mine. What if there was a license to raise a child, not to have a child. You see, two people can easily have a child, but to raise that child is a different story. Giving birth isn’t a problem; it’s raising a child that seems to be the problem. I guess I shoulda explained that a little better when I first said it, that’s what I meant. But I though common sense would have told you that, forgive me…

*facepalmsigh* I’m seriously going to ask this question seriously because I’m really serious. Do you guys deliberately take everything serious I say as a joke and take my jokes seriously? You’ve argued with me enough to know that I’m a wise ass. So what’s the problem? Or were you joking around as well Rhia, in that case, we both need to work on our sense of humor. ^^

Not all criminals are overweight, and not all criminals are sweaty. But all criminals were raised improperly. Do you have a problem with fat or sweaty people Sturm?

Great! I’m glad to see that you’re a good law abiding citizen Sturm; sadly, we need more people like you in the world. *gag* What? I didn’t say anything…

That doesn’t make them guilty. You’re proving my point again Sturm. People who are wrongfully accused of crimes are do not belong in prisons. Isn’t that what I said?

People are not born knowing how to play the drums, it is a talent that requires a skill and practice. That my friend is what makes it an art, unlike talking.

You obviously have no commons sense yourself. You attack me for assuming things and yet you assume things about me? Nice job. Your arguments make no lick of sense. All you're doing is insulting me, not rebuting my points.

*Sniff* I smell a loser!

No, the death penalty is expensive given both the cost of the method, the cost of the automatic appeals and other court stuffs, as well as what it costs to keep them locked up during the courts activities, and that they usually spend a year or so on death row even after it's been ruled that they deserve the death penalty.
And fear tells you otherwise!
Everyone was raised improperly then, because you will not find a single person who has not broken a law in America, thus making them a criminal, thus meaning they were raised improperly. Stop arguing with me, criminal. You deserve to be killed by your logic.
You said no one belongs in prisons, that criminals should be executed immediately. Someone who is wrongly accused would be set to death before they could be cleared. I also notice you made no provision for those rightfully accused of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I suppose unluckiness is also something warranting the death penalty.
Really? I see babies smash pots and pans all the time.