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Raijinili
post Feb 2 2008, 06:21 AM
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Say that when you take pistachios, you take ten per handful, you eat the unshelled ones, take off the shells of the shelled ones, and drop the newly unshelled ones back into the bowl.
If you had a bowl of 100 shelled pistachios, how many grabs would it take to eat them all?


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post Feb 10 2008, 12:56 AM
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This is your claim:
It's not true that there will be less than 10 after 19.

The < vs <= is a technicality. Don't argue technicalities, just provide the correction.

If I change my statement to <=, then it's right. Anyway, I think I did prove it, just follow the logic. The worst case scenario (for maximum pistachios left) is provided. Any other scenario is either the same or better.

I guess I still need to prove that last part though:
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If you mixed it up a bit more (left shelled ones in the bowl when they are available) you would have even less than 10 left after the 19th grab, but some would be shelled.
The number of operations left in the bowl is calculated by [# of unshelled]+2*[# of shelled]. Each time you make a grab, the number of operations goes down by 10. After 19 grabs, you will have 10 operations remaining. If there are 10 unshelled in the bowl, you can complete the task on the next grab. If there is 1 shelled in the bowl then there must be 8 unshelled because there are 10 ops left in the bowl, and each shelled represents 2 ops. Meaning nine total are left in the bowl.

Therefore, the quoted statement is proven.
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Raijinili   Math problem 83 or something   Feb 2 2008, 06:21 AM
jcdietz03   after thinking about this for a bit... isn't ...   Feb 2 2008, 02:02 PM
regruBgniK   Who eats pistachios without the shell?   Feb 2 2008, 04:47 PM
Raijinili   An example isn't a proof.   Feb 2 2008, 10:16 PM
jcdietz03   An example isn't a proof.It's been too lo...   Feb 2 2008, 11:17 PM
Raijinili   It's not true that there will be less than 10 ...   Feb 3 2008, 09:05 PM
jcdietz03   It is true. I meant to say "less than or equ...   Feb 3 2008, 09:45 PM
Raijinili   I'm the one asking the question here. It's...   Feb 8 2008, 11:53 PM
Raij|Away   That's right. The < vs <= is a technica...   Feb 11 2008, 12:27 PM
DustyHaru   Is that shelled, the past participle of 'to sh...   Mar 26 2008, 07:29 PM
Raijinili   Shelled as in opposed to unshelled. I also specifi...   Mar 27 2008, 05:02 AM
Wally   No one eats pistachios like that. The question is...   Mar 27 2008, 10:09 PM
Raijinili   you moot   Mar 29 2008, 03:16 AM
DustyHaru   BORED Is it least number of grabs or most number ...   Mar 2 2010, 12:49 AM
aerozero   Use the Tootsie Roll Pop Owl Method.   Mar 2 2010, 01:35 AM
DustyHaru   "Due to the laws of probablity it could be an...   Mar 2 2010, 01:57 AM
Yuka   You have no way of dictating how many shelled and ...   Mar 2 2010, 05:23 PM
Lloyd Seegymont the Rasier   42.   Mar 2 2010, 05:38 PM
Raij|Away   If there are less than ten, you grab that many. I...   Mar 5 2010, 12:10 AM
H. Tsukiyono   Somewhere between 12 and 21 grabs. :V   Mar 15 2010, 05:52 PM
DustyHaru   You need at least 20 grabs, since you pick up each...   Mar 15 2010, 06:08 PM
H. Tsukiyono   I feel rather silly now. I diagrammed it wrong :V....   Mar 15 2010, 08:28 PM
Shiokazu   who fucking cares? the important thing is eating t...   May 1 2010, 12:10 AM
Elnendil   Isn't there an equation for this? I'll se...   May 1 2010, 03:39 AM
Raijinili   Every time I come back to this topic, I think, ...   May 1 2010, 11:20 PM
Elnendil   Every time I come back to this topic, I think, ...   May 2 2010, 01:43 AM
Shiokazu   math is not meant for me, bring something easier. ...   May 2 2010, 12:35 AM
Raijinili   You just missed the in-between case. In a case-by-...   May 5 2010, 03:15 AM
Elnendil   I'll keep that in mind.   May 6 2010, 03:31 AM


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