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Posted by: Miki Trie' Oct 25 2009, 04:05 AM

Posted by: Raijinili Oct 26 2009, 12:35 AM

Well, we know that she's not Malice's mom.

Posted by: tempest drake Oct 26 2009, 12:56 AM

Technically though, they don't look alike until #367 exceeds 100% otherwise #367 is just a timid, cute brunette that can only follow orders

Posted by: Miki Trie' Oct 26 2009, 09:48 PM

True that.

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 10 2009, 11:37 PM

Do you think Judgement Zero was made especially for her....? As in something like a sample card?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 11 2009, 01:51 AM

I was thinking mabye the creators just wanted to show off Malice to those who did not play Riviera. Even though it doesn't say Malice on Judement Zero!

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 11 2009, 01:56 AM

Advertisement for Riviera....? ('_';)

Posted by: San Aurora Dec 11 2009, 01:58 AM

I really don't see any resemblance between #367 and Malice. Their card and diviner's likeness may mean that #367 is an early model of Malice, at most.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 11 2009, 01:58 AM

I mean, why would there be

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 11 2009, 02:03 AM

Yes, I understand that fact, but you say they want to show off Riviera by doing that, but I personally think that anyone who expiriences any DHE should at least know what Riviera is.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 11 2009, 02:04 AM

My friend figured out about Yggdra Union and was obsessed and she did not even know what Riviera was. I was like WOW!

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 11 2009, 02:12 AM

WOW. How long did she have the game and not google it then spots Riviera? I actually found out about Riviera when a clerk at GameStop showed me the PSP version.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 11 2009, 02:18 AM

I think like 2 weeks.

This is how I figured out about Department Heaven...

I was really bored at my house so I asked one of my friends if I could borrow her DS and games. So I did. It was midnight so I looked through her bag of games and pulled out Riviera. I decided to play it and got addicted.

So... I practically got obsessed with Riviera, then I found Lacrima Castle to go on.
Then, I found out about Yggdra Union on the website. I used to despise it so much because I thought Nessiah copied Hector and that it was a stupid game.

But, soon after I played it after finding it magicaly... somehow i just found it! I got way more addicted. Then Department Heaven was officially my greatest obsession.

I pre-ordered Knights in the Nightmare right when I figured out it was available for pre-ordering. I also begged my parents to buy me a PSP just for Yggdra Union and Riviera. I also had to beg my friend to give me 5.00 for the PSP version of Riviera.

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 11 2009, 02:19 AM

What nonsense are you spouting now?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 11 2009, 04:13 AM

I was saying that Kirke looks almost exactly like Malice.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 11 2009, 05:10 AM

Who is Kirke?

Posted by: San Aurora Dec 11 2009, 01:31 PM

Kirke is the angel #367 quotes when incanting Judgment Zero.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 11 2009, 02:34 PM

It says

on Judgement Zero.

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 11 2009, 03:30 PM

I had bought a PSP just to play CCFFVII, but after that I got bored of playing one game over and over, so I browsed a local game shop and spotted Yggdra Union. I fell in love with the art instantly, and bought it. For playing it for the first time, the gameplay was akward to me, and I was stuck on BF3. I began to hate it, and criticized the Gran Centurio. But after awhile, I got used to it and played the game throughout. Then when browing again, a clerk suggested Riviera for me. I didn't buy it then because it was at $69.99. It should be cheaper now.

And also, how can someone not bump into this great site when searching DHE? ^ ^

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 11 2009, 03:32 PM

Would that comply to the fact that the Royal Army beats her?

Posted by: San Aurora Dec 11 2009, 09:26 PM

I don't know if ending D is canon. Even if it is, the Magi can create artificial grim angels. I doubt they'd have any problems making #368 even if #367 was dead.

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 11 2009, 11:26 PM

Well, they certainly don't have a very good imagination.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 01:37 AM

Is there any black haired angels at all?

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 12 2009, 02:37 AM

Wait, are you saying you think it's Kirke on the card?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 02:40 AM

Kirke is on judgement zero. It says it on the game.

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 12 2009, 05:54 AM

Where?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 06:23 PM

If you have the PSP version of Yggdra Union and have access to all card data, go check Judgement Zero. It says the words of the grim angel Kirke.

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 12 2009, 07:59 PM

Major #367 & Card Spoilers;

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 08:04 PM

What are those purple things behind her?

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 12 2009, 08:30 PM

Uh, evil aura?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 08:48 PM

It looks more like fabric. I was thinking that they refer to Malice since she is so loyal to Hector in the chant. I believe it is...

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 08:48 PM

That does not state that Kirke is the one on the card. It merely says that the card is her words.

I swear, you're like Feral saying that "x" character on "y" card is "z" person with little to no actual fact backing up your statements.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 08:50 PM

The tactic cards were made before Malice was born. So why would she appear on No. 367's card?

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 08:52 PM

Did I say it was Malice on Judgment Zero?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 08:53 PM

No, I just made an assumption that you were saying that.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 08:55 PM

I did not say that Malice is on the card. However, I am refusing that Kirke is the one on the card.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 08:56 PM

But, isn't the person who said the words, on the card?

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 08:57 PM

Show me any other example where this is the actual case and I may be more inclined to believe you.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 09:01 PM

On sanctuary it shows a girl who is half beast and it says its the words of I don't remember her name, the half beast.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 09:05 PM

Where does it say this?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 09:09 PM

Have you played the game?

Posted by: Enzd Dec 12 2009, 09:10 PM

Answer his question.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 09:11 PM

If I didn't play the game, I wouldn't be arguing in this topic.

However, if this kind of information is only gettable in some unlockable content thing, then it's not that silly of a question to ask where you're getting this kind of information from, as I didn't get a lot of unlockables in my run of YU.

Now answer the question: Where does it say that such cards' chants are the words of the ones on the cards?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 09:12 PM

Wasn't it on a interview?

I don't want to argue anymore, so I am wrong, there.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 09:13 PM

Was it on an interview?

I'm not giving you the option of backing out now. You just can't leave arguments like that.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 09:16 PM

I think it was. I think Miki Trie' told me something about it.

I don't know what the heck I am saying half of the time.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 09:20 PM

That's probably why. It's Miki Trie'.

Did he/she provide a source on this interview?

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 12 2009, 09:21 PM

*Looks @ PSP*
http://lacrimacastle.net/index.php?game=Yggdra&c=GBA&sec=cards&id=20

Words of Lakisimi the half-beast.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 12 2009, 09:21 PM

She has the tour guide...

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 12 2009, 09:23 PM

It can be found on the YU manga week site, Feral has the scanlation.

EDIT: http://community.livejournal.com/disaresta/52597.html#cutid1

Posted by: Yuka Dec 12 2009, 09:26 PM

This tells me nothing.



It's Feral. She has NEVER contributed anything that you can take as accurate.

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 12 2009, 10:01 PM

Please explain why a female appears on the card for Jihad if it's supposed to be Paltina on the card. Since Paltina is a male (king) according to the canon.

Posted by: Raijinili Dec 12 2009, 11:29 PM

Please explain why a long green dress and long hair means that the person is a girl.

(See, I can play this game too!)

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 01:04 AM

Paltinaeas is the king! Paltina is a girl!

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 01:13 AM

Does it say, Paltinaeas on the card? No it says Paltina.
Also, where does it say Paltina was a king?

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 13 2009, 01:46 AM

Cause I'm sexist. Just TRY and reason through my obstinate bigotry.

I've not seen any evidence to indicate that they are different people.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 01:58 AM

The spelling!

Posted by: Yuka Dec 13 2009, 02:15 AM

Just like how Yggdra and Yggdrar are different people because the spelling is different!

My point being that just because the spelling of the name is different is not reasonable grounds for saying they're different people.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 02:19 AM

Does it say Yggdrar in the game?

Why would they put different spellings in the first place?

Posted by: Yuka Dec 13 2009, 02:32 AM

Yggdrar occurs inside the game, yes.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 02:33 AM

Well they did a typo for Yggdra. I see that alot in games.
The game clearly says Yggdra Union on the title.

Posted by: Yuka Dec 13 2009, 03:00 AM

And? You're saying different spellings = different people, so I'm proving you wrong, even with the use of an ingame typo.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 03:44 AM

I am really confused myself. Was paltinaes a typo? I don't understand how it would be a typo.
Paltina and Paltinaeas is completely different. I once typed Yggdrar myself but how would they add a eas to Paltina.

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 13 2009, 03:47 AM

Spelling means nothing in translation. Some people are adamant believers of the idea that "Jesus" is a mistranslation.
Anyways, I'm wary of anything regarding YU's translation, and my reasoning for bringing Paltina/Paltinaeas up is the incredible similarity in their names and the lack of significant concrete information differentiating the two. I'm of the opinion currently that they are one and the same.


It's a Latin suffix, duh. At least, it has the appearance of one; it's not in actuality.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 04:10 AM

Paltinaeas could have been named after the creator Paltina.

Posted by: Raijinili Dec 13 2009, 05:46 AM

You're comparing an obvious typo to something which is at best a double translation.

This does not help your case.
One is the king, the other is the creator?

God, are you people really so steadfast against Hayashi saying things?

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 13 2009, 07:52 AM

One is the king and the creator of the Kingdom of Paltina.


Not so much now that his avatar has changed.

Posted by: Miki Trie' Dec 13 2009, 06:33 PM

Then, who do you think it is?

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 13 2009, 06:39 PM

I am a girl... O_O

Posted by: DustyHaru Dec 13 2009, 10:57 PM

I don't believe you.

THE SPELLUNG!

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 14 2009, 12:33 AM

You don't believe I am a girl?
My youtube account has my voice and I have a feminine voice.

Posted by: Raijinili Dec 14 2009, 04:00 AM

No one calls the founder of a kingdom "the creator" unqualified.

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 14 2009, 04:30 AM

Wouldn't the creator be like someone who created the world of Yggdra or something in D.H. terms?

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 14 2009, 08:15 PM

I would. Not in discussion or debate, but in such a situation as a narrative.

Posted by: Raijinili Dec 17 2009, 09:51 PM

Sure.

Posted by: Dr Sturm Dec 18 2009, 04:50 AM

I'LL PROVE IT BY MAKING MY OWN GAME

Posted by: Hayashi Tenshi Dec 18 2009, 04:12 PM

That does not prove anything.

Posted by: Raijinili Dec 19 2009, 04:51 PM

On the contrary, that proves that he would make a video game to prove me wrong.

We can abuse this.

Posted by: DustyHaru Dec 19 2009, 11:19 PM

I thought it's impossible to prove anything that is nothing?